EL GOLCO FINAL PHASE(PUEBLO ARABE)

[smeg]

There I did it myself.
From now on I want your thoughts,facts,ideas we must start to get it together you people.

[sandy]

Have a look at Viva Almeria site and search for poster called Ferrall. She waged war against developers Aifos and Palmera for a property development in Roquetas, this included press articles, lawyers, protesta at property exhibitions, radio and TV. She might be a mine of useful contacts for you. She hasn't posted her email add so you would have to contact her via pm thro' viva site.

Sandy

[smeg]

Full title for final phase is as follows:

PROYECTO DE 80 APARTAMENTOS,CLUB SOCIAL.Y SOT TANOS URB 'PUEBLO ARABE' EN GOLCO,ALPUJARRA DE LA SIERRA.GRANADA.

IF APTS 1-60 ARE READY AND HAVE BEEN READY FOR AGES WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO START TO CONTACT THEIR UNFORTUNATE BUYERS??????
HAS ANYONE ASKED PP WHEN???

BLIGHTY
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN FACED WITH THE DREADED PHONE CALL SAYING THERES AN APT READY A FOR ,SAY NEXT WEEK?

[seagem]

Full title for final phase is as follows:

PROYECTO DE 80 APARTAMENTOS,CLUB SOCIAL.Y SOT TANOS URB 'PUEBLO ARABE' EN GOLCO,ALPUJARRA DE LA SIERRA.GRANADA.

IF APTS 1-60 ARE READY AND HAVE BEEN READY FOR AGES WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO START TO CONTACT THEIR UNFORTUNATE BUYERS??????
HAS ANYONE ASKED PP WHEN???

BLIGHTY
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO *WHEN FACED WITH THE DREADED PHONE CALL SAYING THERES AN APT READY A FOR ,SAY NEXT WEEK?

[seagem]

;D ;D Jump on da plane with toothbrush and factor 28 in bag. Enjoy the brilliant weather we have down here at the mo. ;D ;D ;D

[Demotivated_Donna]

smeg you crazy fool dont any sucka listen to me ?
61-80 are ready and very nice too ,except the pool which is smaller than my hot tub!
1-60 dream on , i am a small time bulding contractor and my estimates are from my perspective!

so the only phone call he`ll get will be for 61-80,but the only people to have been offered a swap are those paying ££££££££££££cash!!...... rich

[smeg]

SORRY,Miss Donna I meant apts 60-80

HANDOVER
Yes, you’re the broken Brit-your ready to accept any apt ,lets just get this nightmare over!!!!!
I sympathise to a degree.
So what happens, you get a call saying your apt is ready….Whooooooo!(nothing in writing)
You pop over to Spain, taken to a hot room full of non English speaking Spaniards.
Pen and papers thrust into your hand, its all in Spanish, there no one in that room on your side!
Its called intimidation!!!!!
Your not there to inspect/snag or resolve any outstanding issues your just there to sign over all responsibilities to yourself ,they then pick up your wonger!!!!!
They know you don’t live in Spain so they know you don’t want to keep coming back and forth.
They will just tell you ‘you sign now we fix later’…….oh yeah!!!!!!
Habitation licence, complete red herring, obviously has no legal standing. Or value to you the buyer other than its all yours now. It hasn’t done anyone any good so far!!!!!. Its completely bias towards the dev.
How do you know the apt is safe, earthing is one of the most important aspect of construction for instance. What about supplementary earthing, where does your water come from???
REMEMBER JUST BECAUSE YOUR TAPS MIGHT WORK AND WATER POURS FORTH AND THE BEDROM LIGHT WORKS ON THE DAY OF YOUR VISIT THIS ISN’T PROVE OF SERVICE CONNECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The water/electricity providers(the ones that send you a bill) MUST be responsible for your services-you pay them you get service its simple .If you have a contract with these suppliers you know what your getting and they must have recognition of your property, it must be on there data base and the services must be safe.
Accepting an apt on temporary services is ***king crazy. Because effectively your apt is off-line until its properly connected ,you might never be connected to a service provider in which case your apt doesn’t exist, and is valueless asset.
Would you buy a house in the UK which hasn’t got services and bills from services providers, nice generator in the garden and a garden hose sucking water from a local fishpond……no!

If you do wish to purchase in the near future save the air fare and all the s**t your going to get and get one of the English speaking companies in Spain who will fully inspect your apt and issue a report to you and the dev these are Professionals and the report is a doc that will stand up in court if necessary.
They will want proof of service connection to a service provider as part of their report.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can stay at home and wait until dev says all issues are resolved ,the company you have chosen pay second visit hopefully all issues sorted then you can pick-keys.
PTX will have to get issues resolved quickly or they don’t get your money .
AT LAST YOU ARE IN CONTROL.

[flopsy]

Hola smeg

Have enjoyed reading your postings.

But I hate to say we are not in control, if you have read any of my postings over the last few years you will see that when living in England I tried every avenue that there was.

The only way that people may get any where is to try the Spanish legal system.

Go to PP offices in Spain ask for complant form.

Go to the local police in Cadiar and serve a denouca cant spell that word will find out at spanish class this week, and serve it on the builder the more the better.

Take care weather here great, but No building going on at El Golco well not our bit anyway apartmet the same as it has been for tow years. ???

[Mike6]

Hi Flopsy

Nice to see you back , how is your Spanish ?? Perhaps you could pop to site , and ask any one that seems in charge !! thats if any still on site , why water to lower phases keeps being turned off //
There one day , gone the next ??

Know you can get an answer !!

Mike

[smeg]

Dear floppy,
so 60-80 are finished????
Are they actual ready to go ????
1-59 are shells,is there literally no work at all on these or is a little trickle(pardon the expression)
What are PP saying about 60-80?

quick question PTX contract
1/is your contract 6 pages long
2/does the apt cost on page 2 match the price you ,ve agreed with PP? PTX contract price much lower than price on agents paperwork!Agent said this done to enable backhanders to be carried out!!!
3/i've paid extra for kit/parking this stated on agents paperwork not on PTX contract!
4/apts Ive bought are on Pueblo Arabe ,PTX don't mention this just say El Zoco
5/Has anyone got a PTX contract that has been translated for legal use(in english)???
6/PTX contract ,no dates,pages not numbered.
Could someone please confirm if all PTX contracts are like this!!!!!!

[Demotivated_Donna]

60-80 are ready to go,we have seen with are own eyes,however no kitchen dont know if they have electric or water,i seen the supply taps and main breakers but as i have said before,this means sh*t rich

[pedro_1]

Hi All
can I ask, with ref to the kitchens. Did you pay for them to be fitted? We did, but paid all to our agents. This it seems never ,made it to the builder. I am trying now to pursue the legal route as it seems from the paperwork I have received that the money was not sent to the bank with our deposits. If it was...... - the builder, says he never received it.

I am not aware of ANY kitchens being completed prior to completion. So the units may be as good as your gonna get!

[smeg]

Yes ,you are right Pedro.Agent scam.
Lots of agents included these facilities in price.Others ripped you off.

[Blighty]

Further missive from PP.

"I spoke to the builder on the phone yesterday and they said what I wrote to
you.

1. Transformer is coming meaning it is not there yet...
2. I never mentioned workmen being on the site as I don´t know
3. numbers 61 - 80 are completing but ...builder actually complained that
clients are not responding and not showing up for signing...

If you don´t belive me than I suggest you call a builder yourself and see what he will tell you...as I have told you what he told me.....

If you know more than I can´t see why are we communicating. ...

Builders mobile no. provided"

Cheers,

Blighty

[smeg]

Sound like Pedros on drugs.
I wonder if anyone has declined to sign-up....ain't surprising if it ain't finished!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one contacted me.
He should of treated his customers rather better three years.Cos lets face it he's in the s**t.Cos at some stage he gonna want us buyers.And every single one of us is seriously p**sed off.

I was feeling rather left out so today at 1400hrs BST I too commenced legal action.....nice!!!!!!

[Blighty]

To all those who have put a deposit(s) on Phase V I am happy to contribute to a fund to have a single solicitor/lawyer working for us.

Hanks most recent poss hints further activity (windows and door) but the work is very intermitant and seems to being done by elves through the night!

Blighty

[Demotivated_Donna]

ok blighty,looks like your in with us then !, our intitial aim is to find out what in the hell is going on[as regards to phase 5] come on people who`s with us? ???

[Blighty]

PP latest re:phase V;

@Indeed we are here in the lawyer´s office that work for Palmera Properties. Our job is to ensure that completion runs as smoothly as possible and we are
always on the client´s side.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not remember asking you to contact Pedro direct. I may have suggested it, purely to put extra pressure on them.
I have tried my absolute best to try and get this sorted out for you, and in fact my colleagues (Rocio) have also been trying since January. We have made many phone calls and spent a considerate amount of time trying to obtain a reply from the developers. Unfortunately I cannot give you a reply if they don´t reply to us.

Nevertheless, I will phone them again today and will notify you.

Blighty

[Blighty]

2nd missive from PP in one day - may, just maybe, the message is now loud and clear?

"The reason I have suggested you go direct to the builder is because the situation has been dragging on for so long. It is beyond our control to speed up the building process and completion. We are really left with no option then to direct clients to the builder as he is aware of complaints we have made as an agent on clients behalf but is not responding.

You have paid your deposit to us an intermediary between the builder and yourself. We have forwarded your deposit onto the builder and your legally
binding contract is with the builder not the agent. We as an agent do not have a legal power to represent you and I assure we have tried everything possible to receive some answers from the builder. Also, you must be aware that there are circumstances on this development that builder himself was not able to foresee.

From the experience, builders tend to move a bit once they get client queries direct."

Any thoughts?

Blighty

[Odyseus]

They have admitted that the deposit was paid to them therefore at the very least they share liability with the builder.

PP are your agents - they sold the property and the builder's services to you. If either the building or the builder is f***ed up, then PP have f***ed up. They are liable both morally and legally and what's more they know it.

If it was me I would be very interested in having a clear written explaination from PP, on letterheaded paper and from their board explaining their actions, their position and what they intend to do next.

Who is their MD?

[smeg]

Spot on my man!

According to the legal feed back I'm getting its quite simple!!!
If you hand -over a deposit to someone they are legally responsible for the safe guard of that money.
I for one have no idea where my money is.
Forget the bollocks about giving it to the developer thats
just what they say to keep you at bay(unless you have proof).
The developer raises monies in advance through the bank to build and only collects on completion.
If PP give loads of money to PTX and they do a runner with it or chose not to build your apt,ain't your problem cos it was PP decision to hand-over the money to a third-party that you don't know. How do you know they haven't 'pissed it up the wall'or handed it to any other dodge-pot.
Your supposed to be issued with proof that your deposit is safe and secure,if they can't provide this its a criminal act *
If someone has spent it ...its fraud!

For example
You go to buy new car you hand-over money to a dealership.They order car from manufacturer,they hold on to deposit(they can't touch it cos its still your money and they might have to return it if they can't meet their contractual obligations).They don't give the money to the car manufacturer until the goods are received and paid for in full.Cos up to that point they are
responsible for the safeguard of your monies.

On the basis of how companies like PP work then its legal for me to start Smeg Estates take all your deposits,hand them to my brother 'dodgy Smeg the pretend builder'who walks away with all your money and doesn;t have to build 'jack'.I blame my brother and say'nothing to do with me talk to dodgy'whose pissed off and is lovin' your money!!!! *

[Odyseus]

'Smeg Estates'

I like the sound of that. It has a certain ring to it.

[smeg]

Well it certainly does!
Companies like PP are really taking the p**s if they are saying 'sorry passed your money to another' cos as I 've said that could be fraud.

strongly suggest ignoring these campaigns,there great if you want a hobby ,but if someone has taken your deposits and they no longer claim to have them ,then call in the legal boys and find out whose got it .As I I've said theres no reason to pass it on to anyone else cos its still your money.And the developer can't build a development based on receiving deposits cos it will never get built on that basis.
So PP should have all your money still,definately worth getting advice..don't take my word for it!!!

[P.GARRETT]

Hi

I can think of a couple of Agents and their Lawyers that could be added to this petition !

http://www.spanishpropertyscandalpetition.co.uk/index.html

rgds

pg

[smeg]

interesting link!!!!!
Without sound like a smart arse, I've mentioned a lot of these issues over the last three weeks,especially the bank guarantees that puts the ultimate responsibility of the development in the hands of a recognised lender, not at the mercy of a bunch of t***sers like PTX.

From the manner in which PTX are operating at EG one can only assume that there isn't a bank currently securing the development.And their start /stop construction may be connected to the withdrawal of funds, that in itself is a worrying aspect, simple because how ever much you love EG if you do need to sell at some stage in the future.....your stuffed!!!These are all issues that I have raised with my solicitor and will seek clarity on!!

I can't imagine anyones gonna spend another penny until all this crap is resolved ,for me EG is damaged goods and I want nothing more to do with it!

[Blighty]

Dear All,

Have made contact wth a few other Phase V'ers who had being messaging on a.n.other messageboard. I have directed them here so our numbers may grow. I am really keen to see how many buyers are out there because EG wasn't just being pushed through PP.

Cheers,

Blighty

[Odyseus]

Blighty

That's interesting. Do you have the name of the other agent and/or a link to the other message board?

[smeg]

If you get yourself a strong cup of coffee and some illegal drugs ,plough through the inter-web and your come across at least 6 companies that have or are touting EG or El Zoco.
I have contacted all of them just to hear the bull s**t there'll come out with.
Most deny its existance ,like *Immodev ,the movechannel.com and Andaluciandreamhomes.com, who all have El Golco web sites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lots of resales on almeria-spanish-properties and sunshine-properties. *

[Mike6]

Blimey Smeg
never seen that Almeria Spanish Properties site before!!!You have made me so happy !!! i just want to buy them all !!! dont they all look fab ? Wish i was just looking for a place now , in fact think i may enquire about one of them , can then fill up a bucket and take round to my place , problem solved , thanks again !!!

[smeg]

Mike,
Never know whether to take you seriously or not!!!

Being the happy chappie you are it wouldn't surprise me if you did buy another!!!!!

[Blighty]

Just noted post from Jim on Phase IV thread. Wonder if likely new Mayor will be a good or bad thing?

Cheers,

Blighty

[Blighty]

Latest position from PP.

I keep pressing " em;

'Further to our telephone conversation yesterday, I just wanted to let you know that I spoke to the developers yesterday and again today. They keep putting me off, saying that he needs to speak to a colleague. Today he said that he would have a reply for me this afternoon. He said he would e-mail me (I´ll beleive it when I see it).

We close the office at 3pm Spanish time, but I did not say this to him. I just hope when I come in on monday morning, I will be able to have a reply for you.
I can only apologise in their behalf and I must say, I do not understand why it´s taking so long. They (more than anybody else) should be interested in completion of as many properties as possible, in order to get money.

I hope I have a reply for you on monday.

Do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further queries or concerns"

Cheers,

Blighty

[Blighty]

We have a new Mayor, Jim and now Dave (Borad Administrator) confirm.

Just wondering if this will be good/less good. Not sure if this will allow us all to collectively seek his/her weight to conclude EG fiasco (especially on supply of services) and habitation licences. Will the nww Mayor advise that nothing agreed by previous one now stands?

Should we see is someone locally can contact them on our collective behalf?

Cheers,

Blighty

[admin]

The new major is the ex-doctor and the PSOE party, whom he represents, are the party that granted the original permits for the Golco urbanisation in contravention of all the regional environmental and planning laws. Several of the original councillors were forced to leave their official positions during the initial legal challenges to the development.

Whether this is good or bad therefore depends on your perspective

Dave - Board Admin :-/

[Blighty]

I know that there have been ecological and legality issues mentioned here before.

I am sure thst all on this meessageboard (whatever Phase at El Golco) are really committed to becoming part of the local community and adding our own value to it (consistent with the values already in place) .

Certainly I, for one, want to cherish the opportunity to spend time in such a beautiful part of Spain and will ensure that I do nothing but keep the 5 x Phases in keeping with the local area.

I know it is a new build but if finished and habitated it will blend in well and taking account of those on this site I feel we will show our worth. No-one has any issues regarding the ecological matters already discussed. In fact a completed development will the best solution to this protracted matter and best serve everyones interests. What is apparnet is that people want to live here and not make a fast buck as has been to the detriment of developments elsewhere.

Cheers,

Blighty

[pedro_1]

I for one, echo the above sentiments.

I love the area, and I have no wish to anything but enjoy the place, whilst respecting totally the enviroment as much as possible.

[Hank_24]

Hi all
I agreee wholeheartedly with the sentiments of Blighty.
Completion of the project would be in the interest of the purchasers and the local community, ie shops etc.
Gordon or Hank

[RENZ]

hi all i am in the same mind of you all, i just want to go there for my walking hols and enjoy the beauty of the surroundings ie villages with white washed walls with flowers baskets everywhere and little chimneys that look very pretty, i could go on but then i would make myself cry ! ( I'm in dreamland ) lets hope all goes well.

[Mike6]

Can't add anything !! Im'e in tears !!!

[P.GARRETT]

So am I !!

pg

Hoping for the same outcome.

[Odyseus]

PSOE is the Spanish socialist party and there is a theory that says socialist mayors are more likely to grant planning permission than rightwing mayors. *This is despite the usual 'green' credentials associated with the left. Maybe this is because socialist mayors tend to be more corrupt, maybe they simply want to help support local industry more or maybe both but either way Spanish mayors are certainly amongst the most powerful in Europe.

How your new local mayor might help you guys is difficult to say but given the above mentioned scandal relating to the original permissions for El Golcho (granted by a previous PSOE mayor) it is likely that he'll treat EG with kid gloves lest he gets tarred with the same brush.

On the other hand he could take the 'supporting local industry/community' stance, by pushing the development through. Let's face it this is the approach the Costas have taken since the sixties.

However given the amount of bad PR *EG appears to have generated even to the point that the scandal made the national news, my money would be on him doing what ever he's told to do by the federal, Andalucian government.

But you never know. How about someone asking him what he thinks of the whole thing afterall he may want it sorted - one way or the other.

[Mike6]

All too serious for me , i may just ask him if i can have a poo! and flush the loo with his blessing ?

Whats poo in Spanish ??

[seagem]

;D caca ;D

[pedro_1]

boys boys!! less of the toilet humour! lets get back to the game in hand shall we?

Blighty suggested if someone locally could contact the new mayor's office? - I think this is a very sensible thing to do. I don't know of anyone really. My contact is helping me out with the water issue, so I don't want to burden her with this as well. I am chasing my solicitor today, so I will ask him to ring the new mayor and see what if anything he can find out. will post as soon as I know. However, if there is anyone out there who speaks the language well enough to ring first hand then please do, and let us know. cheers.

[Blighty]

Fellow Golconites,

Just wondering if anyone on or near site would consider trying to raise our issues with the new Mayor. If this is not possible/convenient I would be happy to try to write or phone but my Spanish is very basic. I am sure that this person will wish to conclude matters to the satisfaction of all and he/she may be able to press on habitation licence(s) and supply issues which will resolve Phase 3 and 4 issues and will assist Phase V. I see concluding Phase 3 and 4 issues intrinsically linked in with final Phase.

If anyone can look into this we would all be appreciative or if some concat details for new Mayor can be posted.

Cheers,

Blighty

[Mike6]

Hi Blighty

A nice thought that contact with the new Mayor could be made ?? However if its the same response as the last one , then letters dont seem to get answered , even when sent in perfect Spanish . Pat Garrat has tried this before . Although this new Mayor was for Golco in the first instance it could be different , but i not hold my breath !!

I also think you need more than basic Spanish for a telephone call , i tried this myself and think i asked him for a plate of squid , certainly didnt get me water !!!

Any way best of luck !!!

[Odyseus]

I reckon contacting the mayor with any thing less than perfect Spanish will be a complete waste of time. He may even see it as disrespectful.

He will think that if you can't make the effort to arrange for translation on what is afterall an important and complicated matter then you aren't serious enough to get his attention.

Either get a professional translator or better still if you have a Spanish speaking lawyer get him to speak (as one professional to another) to the mayor on your behalf. It needs to be person to person or in writing * but not over the phone

If you go in half cocked speaking Spanglish you will in all likelihood end up with a plate of Mike's squid and the words 'go forth and multiply' ringing in your ears (but in Spanish of course).

[Blighty]

Odyseus,

Couldn't agree more. That's why I was fishing for someone(kind soul) better placed (locally) and versed(on a fluency level) to try to make some contact to let the new Mayor know our plight etc.

Cheers,

Blighty

[pedro_1]

Hi all,
along with my request for my solicitor to contact water, new electric co. I have asked him to contact the new mayor's office.

[Blighty]

Pedro,

Much appreciated. As the Americans would say "you've stood up to the plate". It will be intersting to see what transpires and I owe you one.

Cheers,

Blighty

[Blighty]

Dear All,

The following is a reply I had from a developer who still advertises El Zoco. Clearlry some of it is erroneous (illegal build etc.).

"Thank you for your email, the development but does look good on the pictures etc. but the site is racked with problems at present, water connections, electricity connections illegal build, etc etc , I do have property for sale there but I would not want to recommend purchasing there until some of these problems are resolved."

Interesting?

Blighty

[Mike6]

What chance have we got ? That agent has just picked up on all that has happened over the last few years .
How many more solicitors are telling us lies , as all that i know say without doubt the site is legal !!

This sort of thing is what causes problems , and now it all starts again about legality . I dont give a toss anymore , once i have water , i shall vanish from this forum for good !!! Dont all clap at once !!!

[Blighty]

Mike,

Don't even think of leaving - it's your optimism (in the main!) that's kept my pecker up.

But it does go to show that mis-information ain't helping our cause and I for one will be putting this crowd right on that one. I will post whatever comes as a reply.

Blighty

[pedro_1]

Blighty/Mike and all

1. Blighty - all you owe me is a long cool drink on your balcony and you will be invited to mine for same.

2. Mike, you ain't going nowhere! We aint come this far for you to fall off.

3. I'm getting very, very tired of this same issue over the legality of the site. WHERE is the PROOF of the illegal build? Can someone actually show me??? I understand the ecology/environmental concerns of the site being there, but it doesn't make it illegal.

So if someone can show me paperwork proving the illegality of the build so, please do so, by sending me the scanned paperwork by email - as then I can show my solicitor and my spanish bank where my mortgage is, who then then take the appropriate action. Both have confirmed on MANY occasions, that as far as my apartment is concerned I have all the necessary permissions/licences.

[Blighty]

Pedro,

It' a deal, pls. let me know what transpires re: mayor, supplies etc.

Mike - Hopefully we are coming to the end of the marathon?

There are no doubts whatsoever about the site it is just the builder ain''t quite got the point on finishing.

Cheers,

Blighty

[pedro_1]

Blighty
yep no probs. As soon as I have news from my solicitor will post as soon as received. Mind you, these things can take some time!!! But I won't let this rest am on the case now. Typical bloody woman, I just won't let go , nag, nag, nag..................etc etc.

[Blighty]

It feels like we are all working on a number of angles (on site, at PP and at PTX). Good to see Flopsy back.

Certainly we live in interesting times, we'll either all end up ok, in the nick or lose our shirts!

Maybe the concerted effort will wear the buggers down?

Cheers,

Blighty

[Mel]

We need to take joint action against Palmera Properties The Cost del Sol Action Group are already doing this and are seeking others to joinI would suggest everyone has a look at their web site under Palmera Properties

[Blighty]

I've put a deposit down on No. 4.

Cheers,

Blighty

[Demotivated_Donna]

Hi peeps, a meet is looking positive here`s a list.

I've put an m next to those who want to meet and an l next to those who are for legal. ? no repsonse yet.


dem donna 16 coventry m l
blighty 04 liverpool m l
jim c ? swansea m l
tez ? ? m l
oldtimer ? ? ? l
zocotome 10 ? ? ?
flopsy 29 cadiar ? ?
saxons 17 ? ? ?
peterdrew 27 ? ? ?
jemma 58 ? ? ?
iancarey 68 ? ? ?

Obviously it would be good to meet people so that we can collate all of our information together and ensure that we are all wanting the same outcome so that we can arrange for legal advise and proceedings to commence.

The amount of money that we have all paid on our deposits collectively comes close to £100K, I really think that if we could all pull together, we could raise the profile of the development, ie involve media and hopefully shame pp & ptx into a truthfull dialogue with ourselves.

So those of you who havent stated if you would like to meet or are interested in taking group action, please let us know so we can sort out a time and date for us to get this ball rolling.

Mike & Pedro whilst you are not part of this phase you are more than welcome to come along when we meet up. ;D

[Demotivated_Donna]

:o ohhps sorry smeg I left you off the list, but I think that you are going it alone with your tons of apts......but if not come & join us ::)

[PAB1]

HI everyone,
Firstly , I'm supposed to be buying level-1 no66.
Could anyone out there kindly tell me which phasethi is in?. Looking at the contract:
-on the first page it says EL ZOCO
-on the plan of the apartment it says PUEBLO ARABE
And to top it all , the letter from the builder informing me of completion is HACIENDA MONASTERIO.
Has anyone alse got the same problem as me.
Donna , Am very interested in going the legal route
to recover what we can and make the b*****ds pay dearly.
I am in west sussex . Anybody close by in the same boat
HELP!!!!

[tez]

HI DONNA

TEZ NO 40

NAME A TIME AND PLACE AND WE WILL BE THERE

WE LIVE IN ESSEX BUT WILL TRAVEL ANYWHERE

THANKS TEZ

[Demotivated_Donna]

hmmm interesting pab1,zoco is the build that has not been touched (the ghost town)pueblo arabe

61 to 80 are complete and do look nice ,however no kitchen and the pool is tiny

hacienda monasterio is complete and has been for ages but alas it`s had no water check out mike.i personally think it`s pedro`s buddy selling it

remember el golco is currently unsaleable so it could be he`s picked you from a list !

my advice is try to obtain a mortgage on it,do not pay cash

this is another bullying tactic by an unsavoury person,go legal and find out the truth

[Demotivated_Donna]

ok peeps looks like it`s coventry we are only 10 miles away from the center of england!

check out rac routefinder

if any one has a better idea then voice it!!

what days can people do? saturday or sunday is best for us

what about sat the 30 june?

[Mike6]

Dem Don

As you say not really my problem !! but it is !! just want to get the site finished , would love to meet up with you all , and put a few faces to all of you ?
Coventry sounds fine , just post on forum the date etc.

However if the meet is soley to organise getting refunds , then i dont think that will happen !! But if all could come up with a plan to get things moving again , then thats fine . I just want a Golconite community , and if i get water on Friday???? then that can be one of our Golco Fiesta days each year 15th June !!!!

OH PAT GARRET , ARE YOU UP FOR MEET ?, LIKE TO SEE YOU AND j AGAIN !! WE COULD BOOK IN A HOTEL FOR EVENING ( LOTS OF WINE j ) i CAN BRING ME WIFE AND OUR BRIAN!!!!

[smeg]

MISS DONNA,
I AIN'T BEING RUDE.IF I WAS PP PERSON I'D BUY A MAP AND FIND OUT WHERE THIS PLACE CALLED COVENTRY IS!!!!
AS I SAY MY PROBLEMS ARE DIFFERENT TO PPs AS I ALREADY DESCRIBED SO I'M USING A SOLICITOR LOCAL TO BOTH ME,AGENT AND SPANISH SOLICITOR!!!
IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE WANTS THEIR MONEY BACK!!
ITS A SHAME COULD OF BEEN THE BUSINESS.
TROUBLE WITH EG IS BUY IT ..WORTH NOTHING AND UNSALEABLE.
DON'T BUY IT LOSE DEPOSIT(POSSIBLY)
I ALSO FEEL SORRY FOR MIKE AND CO COS LOOKING FIVE YEARS DOWN THE LINE UNLESS A MIRICLE HAPPENS CAN'T SEE IT STILL BEING HERE.LIKE ANY COMMUNITY IT NEEDS ALL THE THINGS THAT PEDRO HAS DENIED US.
OUT OF INTEREST SPEAKING TO SOMEONE TODAY WHOSE SO FAR WAITED 4.5 years FOR THEIR APT and still hasn't been built AT EG.

HAS ANY ONE SEEN A 10 YEAR GUARANTEE CERT FOR EG....I ASSUME NO BANK BOND NO GUARANTEE!!!!

[pedro_1]

Hi Donna

thank you for your invite. If its too be 30th June, can't as already booked for that day, and can't change it. Seeing Rod Stewart!

However, although Mike and myself are in a different position to you, would still be great to meet up with you all, if not this time, I'm sure there will be other meets. But if you decide another date other than 30th, might be able to make it.

[pedro_1]

By the way, for anyone interested. I live in East Hampshire, so if meet goes ahead, and I can get there (date wise) we could car share if anyone lives in this area.

[pedro_1]

Can I just ask an open Q to you folks.

What is it you want?

Do you want your money back - and if so, is this because you are not being offered your stated apts?

Or would you still proceed if all services were on site? I presume the final phase has water, as my phase has it and I am further down the hill. If you had a guarantee for electric how would you all feel then?

These are Q you must establish I would suggest at your meet. Also, without seeing your paperwork, I don't know, but are your contracts with the builder, or your agent? If with the agent, are they actual contracts of sale, or pieces of paper outlining the sale. I ask, as I have been down this route myself!!

Smeg, I didn't buy it to sell on anytime soon. In fact it was purchased for long term purposes, so not actually thinking of being saleable. I know now, I def. have water, so if I can get some sort of power going, be it genny or solar, I'll get by with it. Obviously mains is the way to go and preferable.

I don't know what's going happen tomorow, yet alone in 5 years time!!! My family have been in the construction business for 50 years - end of the day everything sells, bricks and mortar will sell. The unknown is profit or no profit.

There are always means to an end. Water was crucial, but its ok for me, and it will be for Mike and Hank in a few days.
As for the community side of things. Things will develop. Its going to be a long ride, no two ways about that, but we are were we are with it.

I bought into the area and the local people, not just the four walls.

[smeg]

Sorry Pedro,
Didn't want to offend anyone.I appreciate what you've said and I hope it blossoms.

All I was meant was should the unforseen occur ie loss of employment etc then you might be forced to sell.Which might present problems.

Nothing is certain with EG at present and it might all work out.I'm just basing my opinion on the last three years track -record and the fact Spains property oversupply is starting to hit the fan and as with all 'crashes' only the strong will survive.

[pedro_1]

No offence at all. You are quite entitled to say what you have said. Most of it valid really. And I should point out, that in this country there are peaks and flows in the housing market. One really bad crash some 14-15 years ago. You have to ride the rollercoaster where property is concerned. Having said that, I do think the spanish boom in property has now started to decline. But it wasn't purchased to make a quick buck.

As you know, as said in our tele con, knowing what I know now, and after having experience with certain individuals and you know who they are, I would certainly be asking all the Q's you are. As I said on prev. posting some time ago, you folks on the later phases have the benefit of knowledge and info that was not available to me some 18 months ago. So sincere good luck to you in trying to get your money back. Smeg you have stated your concerns for the future of the site, and I share them, I have concerns that you are on an uphill battle in trying to recoup your depsits, it aint gonna be easy for you. I think we all have our problems with the site in various forms. You buy and open yourself up to services issue, and maintenance probs, you don't and face losing thousands plus legal bills. Its the unknown for all. Really its a no win situation at this point in time.

Anyway, could we not have a positive posting.? We know water is there and can be connected. (just permission req and no reason for it not to). Its not all doom and gloom.

Will send you pm on other matters.

[seagem]

;D ;D Here comes a positive posting,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

When the storm has settled , and the dust has gone,,,,

What are you left with, ??? ??? ??? ???

I'll tell you what you are sitting on,, the most peaceful place on earth,,, your own modern Hamlet, kept in style with them old days. Whatever you say about Jnr. he has managed to build this Hamlet with a very high level of charm , which is very rare these days. I;m a builder myself, but didn't have time to look at the finish inside Jill and Gordon,s place , but to re-sell in this Hamlet, in my opinion, shouldn't be a problem at all, once everything is sorted,,,

Hope this post will keep your chins up,,,, ;D ;D

Don't worry, be happy,, as they say ;D ;D

[pedro_1]

Bless you Sea gem x

[Blighty]

Latest from PP re: Final Phase.

Their (PP) head honcho met with PTX yesterday (with Jose - on site). Apartments 61-80 fully finished, furnished and ready etc. and completion to be offered this and next week. Other no's lilkely end Summer once gardens are finished!

Cheers,

Blighty,

[pedro_1]

that's interesting!!

Pity they didn't bump into Seagem, Carlos, Hank and Jill wasn't it?? Did PP think to ask about the services then I wonder?? ???

[Oldtimer]

Hi Donna,

Just caught up on the news, we've been away on the boat. We'll be pleased to come to a meeting.
Originally No.49.
Oldtimers E + T from Norfolk
Toms Mobile is 07747 592170

[smeg]

Let me get this right PTX takes three years to build 20/80 apts on final phase.

And now without a workman on site their gonna build 60/80 in 3 or 4 months!!!!!!

Everyone sounds up for the battle on this M/B .

Looks like PTX solicitors office will be quite for the signings next week. I certainly won't be there!

Just out of interest when you all meet up I assume its monies back that you want.!!!

And its PP that you consider to be at fault,for selling a load of s**t.

Everybody goes on about non time defined contracts,no bank bond/insurance..a requirement under 57/68,but is this good enough to get your money back...someone must know!!!!Has anyone tried this route?

[Odyseus]

Pedro_1

All the evidence suggests that largescale fraud has taken place.

You ask what peple want - people want their money back because it has been stolen from them - it's as simple as that!

Some may say 'I'm alright Jack' and others might stick their head in the sand but the facts are as clear as an Andalucian sunrise - people have paid thousands and received nothing in return.

Some of you may end up with the apartments you want but don't forget the countless people who have been right royally screwed by PP and co. If you're not going to actively support them at least don't deny them the fact that they have a case.

[Demotivated_Donna]

ok peeps looks like most of us can make the meet
give us this weekend to sort something out!

pedro rod stewart or us !

smeg i think given the choice thats what we`d all like oh for the hindsight!

either way it looks like mr p is pushing to complete lol we`ve all heard that before!

the idea of a meet is to set an agenda and action plan i.e who wants to try to get a return of deposit,who to sue pp or ptx? and so on

at the end of the day we`ll all have differing ideas! so if we can thrash out what each party wants we can insrtuct a lawyer to those ends

if someone decides they would like to complete it will mean they`ll have a lawyer who is completely informed

it will mean we become a community and a force to be reckoned with rather than victims. if we stand together we can fight as one and turn the tables on pp/ptx

[Demotivated_Donna]

does any one have any media connections ?

we really feel this is a story now,has anyone contacted the olive press yet?

wars are fought on several fronts and propaganda is one of them, if i could put just one person of pp or at least inform others of there service lol it would damage them just as much as another lawsuit !

remember it isn`t just your 20k but mine too,now thats a lot of money

[pedro_1]

Odysues

can I just make this perfectly clear. I was just merely asking the Q. What is it people actually want IF other options were available.?

I take exception to your tone, as I along with just a handful of others have been battling away behind the scenes to try and establish water and leccy connections. Something that the whole site needs, not just those who have apartments. I didn't see you supporting our efforts.

So I fully support anyone's right to their money back if that's the route they choose, but don't criticise me, for asking what is a reasonable Q. I too have been defrauded, I have given money over for kitchen and white goods, so I too have lost money, and it soes amount to thousannds, and am taking advice on that score. But be under no illusions. Its aint gonna happen over night. If you take the time to actually read some of postings I have always wished all good luck - so what's that if not support.

So to end. Good Luck and I DO hope you get all your hard earned pennies back. Donna, its not a case of Rod S or you. I just have other commitments.

Honestly, I thought better of you peeps.

[smeg]

Purely an observation from my legal progress to date.
Firstly its a f**king mess!!!
But the buck stops with the recipient of your deposit.

Just as if you paid a deposit for a SONY telly from an agent like DIXONs and they could deliver contractually then its their resposibility to resolve the issue.You wouldn't phone up SONY in Japan and complain nor would you acquire the services of a Japanese Lawyer!!!!
Also if you ask for your deposit back and they say sorry us boys in DIXONS spent it last night then thats fraud.

Also remember legally the deposits is yours until you complete,the recipient of your deposit is bound by law to ensure its safe keeping.

End of the day you dont know(Iassume) where your deposit is? There is no need for the agent to pass your deposit to a third party because the developer funds the build via a bank,thus should the builder fail to deliver, your deposit can be returned.This practice works well because the bank want their money back plus profit and the developer wants completion asap to collect his monies.If PP have forwarded monies without securities then they must answer this...

If the agent does pass the money to a third party have you any proof that the right amount has gone to the right people and not to a mate of PPs whose piss it up and spent it all (fraud)

Have you any statements to prove that anyones still has your deposit,you should be issued with details of where/when and whose responsible for it.

I suggest if you don't have proof of where you money *currently is then you should contact PP and request a statement which you are perfectly intitled to do.
Then at least you'll be able to see whats going on.
Without making to many accusations it wouldn't surprise me if certain agents aren't picking up more then just their initial deposits...can't say to much at present!!.
Make sure you have a legal translation of the Spanish Contract
*

[Blighty]

DD and friends,

I can make 30th June and can drive down from Liverpool but am clear in what I am after;

1. Info on where my deposit is,
2. Some confirmation on habitation/supply matters being sorted,
3. Town Coincil position - not sure how/if new Mayor can be contacted,
4. If still issues over the above, which presently there are then I am happy to committ funds to legal action as a group exercise.

In a perfect world I still want it finished and to spend time there, not to sell on. But I do believe if it is completed they will have some worth as such places will become increasingly limited in areas such as this.

Cheers,

Blighty

[Odyseus]

Pedro_1

No offence was intended. I *misunderstood your posting.

But either way I wasn't having a go at you, oh Pedro.

In truth, I'm not quite sure why I'm getting so invoved with the Golconite cause. I haven't had any dealings with PP (and I certainly haven't been employed by them DD, though I wish I had then I could give you guys some inside info) and I don't even live in the Alpujarras. But I do spend a lot of time in Almeria and have fallen foul of dodgy property practices in the past. So basically having stumbled on your story, it struck a chord with me.

What I saw was a lot of pi**ed off people who were struggling to get any where and pretty much *living in the hope that one day things might work out on their own. Then all of a sudden a bunch of you got galvanised into action and in the space of a couple of months more action has taken place than in the previous couple of years. This is due largely to a handful of people like Mike, DD, Blighty, yourself Pedro and of course the late entrance, stage left, of smeg. I would also like to think that my trunking in, as an outsider, might have helped from time to time to focus the energy of you dudes.

Basically I'm an interfering bas***d, so I'll try and back off with the comments a bit (though I can't promise).

Either way, apologies Pedro.

[pedro_1]

Odyseus, I am grateful for your posting. I expect I responded to you as I did, because I am worn out with the whole saga, have been battling and arguing, phoning, sending letters, emails, the whole works for the last 3 years to the whole world and his wife, trying to sort out the c**p we all find our selves in. Yes people have and are still taking the p**s and it needs to stop. Blighty's post is case in point. IF (big if) he gets the assurances he needs, he would still like to take the place on. I was only making the point, that perhaps not all want their money back if other options were available.

But please do not keep comments to yourself, it makes an interesting forum and we are all entitled to our views. Drawback with these things, its in black and white, and you cannot hear the tone of which it is meant sometimes. Anyway lets move on from this, and sort the b*****ds out!

Blighty/Mike and whoever was interested at the time, re one of my postings re chasing my solicitor re mayor, leccy company, etc. Very disappointed in his response this week. Has not bothered to do anything, and going on holiday next week.

Don't actually need a solictor for this, but do need someone who speaks good enough lingo. Anyone know anyone who can assist? Have asked before, but new people on site all the time, so would appreciate some feed back if possible.

[Blighty]

There's been a little bit of activity on Phase 5. Hopefully when some of the meetings being planned over supplies etc. happen we may hear more re: new Mayor etc. When I see reference to setting up local community committee's it does whet the appetite but I do know that Smeg and Old Timer (to name but 2) are at the "enough is enough" state - I can fully understand that.

If others on earlier phases do get any details re; Mayor and further evidence (or not) of works then we'd really appreciate an update.

My main, main concern is that if no-one is marketing then they won't get sold and won't be finished unless Pedro Snr is a marketing himself (v. scary!). I stiil hear that all are (mostly) sold but where are the other potential buyers?

I am still hassling PP etc. on a daily basis (phone calls, emails, letters).

Cheers,

Blighty

[Mike6]

This is just an observation , but there are only a very few buyers on the Zoco phase PP that are aware of this forum site !! As you know it has taken a couple of years to get all the residents details on my phase , and there are only 17 appts !!!

I think that there will be no problem for PP to off load all of the finished appts , and i have already recieved phone calls off people who are prepared to sign . I have asked them to go on this forum , but as yet i dont think they have ??

Lets face it not all have a PC and are quite happy with delays being explained by PP . People who dont sign , i feel will just lose out , but i can see your frustration , you on here are only a hand full !!

Work is going on now , and it is definatly on the unfinished appts , Pedro can always re market them at a higher price today than when it all started , including your own who dont sign up !!

I feel that there is little you can do , except hang in there , YOU WILL NOT GET CASH BACK !!!!

Just keep pestering PP , solicitors , PTX etc on a daily basis , you will get there in the end >

THE ADVICE GIVEN TO ME , WAS DONT PART WITH ANY MORE OF YOUR OWN CASH , USE A SPANISH BANK , THIS DOUBLE CHECKS EVERYTHING FOR YOU , AND IF THEY DONT LEND , THEN GO FOR CASH BACK OFF PTX

You can always let the bank reposess property , and you have still only lost your deposit , which you will do if not signing .

[Blighty]

Mike,

I think your summary is spot on. Just hope some others get onto the site.

Cheers,

Blighty

[smeg]

Life seems rosy all of a sudden at EG.

I hope things start happening, at present its talk...ok!

If its all so simply why wasn't it all wrapped up years ago?

Marketing!!!!
Three problems
1/bank guarantee???
2/No completion date.
3/Specification has been downgraded.

I bought without proof of 1/ and 2/ and people are wised up now.
The value of EG is questionable,without facilities and the ongoing problems for all to read.

Don't forget I've got contracts offering apts at 2 different prices.PTX are happy to sell to me at upto 20,000e less then PP prices.
So god knows what their worth on the open market.

Would you buy it if you had a choice?

[Blighty]

Latest from PP.

All their properties are sold and that is 90% of Phase V. I was even able to ascertain no's. Those not sold through PP are/have been marketed elsewhere or by Pedro Jnr/PTX.

It was a more open tele conf and this may be a good sign as there was some honesty about 1-59 being after Summer Break but was told definately workers on site (They have that from their contacts).

I was told that there are even/other developments more protracted than ours (bloody hell!). I was told that mine was to be ready 18months after I signed in May 2004 - so is only technically 18 months late!!!

They confirmed that they are getting a high volume of calles, emails and letters on EG.

Cheers,

Blighty

[pedro_1]

Hi Smeg
further to our tele con.

As I told you, I have water on my phase and have done so it appears for a while. Mike and Gordon's phase will have water in a very short while, so the site is coming together. The electric is however, another matter, but things a looking a little more positive. I also have to say, that perhaps making comments about facilities, and would people buy etc, undermines all the work that some people of put into getting the water sorted.

Of course the site is not looking as it should, or as promised by the literature that we were issued. And that's why you and perhaps some others are taken a stand, as you feel that is the way forward for you.

However, please don't be negative about the situation for those that have places there, and who want to make a go of intergrating within the area and enjoying the breathtaking scenery.

[Mike6]

Smeg mate

You say people are now wised up about problems at Golco !! I disagree , less than 20 buyers know of this forum , buying on the Zoco phase , so that will not really matter in the big picture . All who have a chance should complete asap and get on with it . I know i have spoken to you this morning and passed you a few facts , but all thats water under the bridge now !! We should all go for it and enjoy life at Golco . It will be completed , and i am now 100% sure !!!!

For gods sake , dont pay greedy solicitors any more cash !! let the banks fund your properties , get the strength of debt around you !! You can walk away anytime believe me !!!!

[smeg]

BLIMEY MIKE!

I WISH YOU COULD BOTTLE THAT GOOD FEELING THATS OUSING OUT OF YOU.I'D LOVE A COUPLE OF PINTS WORTH.I SERIOUSLY WISH ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BOUGHT AT EG ALL THE BEST AND DON'TWANT TO APPEAR NEGATIVE ......SO I WON'T.


WELL I'M STILL IN THE UK AND I'VE MISSED MY MEETING WITH THE BOYS AT PEDRO TOWERS.

SO THATS ME TOTALLY F**KED,BUT THEN AGAIN I WAS THE MINUTE I SIGNED UP 3 YEARS AGO.SO WHATS THE DIFFERENCE!!!

HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH PP TODAY ,THEY DIDN'T ASK WHO I WAS SO THEY JUST CHATTED AWAY.

EVEN GOT THROUGH TO THEIR COMPLETIONS DEPT/LAWYER.

CAN'T BELIEVE THE B*****KS THEY CAME OUT WITH,TRIED TO B*LL***T ME. IN THE END THEY CAVED IN AND GOT MORE FACTS OUT OF THAT 10 MINUTE CALL THEN FROM LAST THREE YEARS.I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT SHE SAID TO ME.

[Blighty]

Smeg,

Good to hear from you.

I too recently found PP more open than usual but I feel you believr what you heard to be more cause for concern than allaying fears? Are you able to digress further or send me a private message?

Cheers,

Blighty

[P.GARRETT]

It looks as though things are moving forward with the water and electicity, but it would be interesting if Smeg could share the PP update [ boll**** and all ! ].

pg

[Mike6]

Smegy my mate !! INDEED WHY KEEP THINGS TO YOURSELF ?? Lets all hear what PP had to say !!!

THAT GOOD FEELING I HAVE IS BECAUSE AFTER ALL THESE YEARS , I NOW AM 100% SURE THE SITE WILL BE FINISHED , NOT SAYING PP WILL MARKET ANYMORE , BUT IF YOU ASK THEM THEY WILL OFFER YOU A NEARLY FINISHED APPT , OR A FULLY COMPLETED ONE AS SOON AS YOU CAN SIGN UP !! YOU RING THEM ASK TO SPEAK TO LUKE IN BENELMADNA OFFICE !!!

[Blighty]

Smeg,

You started this thread and may be able to add some insight that will allow it to be concluded. Certainly your presence has been very interesting from your earlier arrival. Have you been able to move on your deposits because you did mention this as you had a pressing need to.

Any info on your recent tete a tete with PP would be useful, don't be shy we've all published and been damned.

Cheers,

Blighty

[PAB1]

HI Smeg

Looks like I am in the same boat as you. Idid not go to pedro towers and sign. Please do share with all of us
b****cks and all what PP said. Did they sound as if they were trying yo get the deposits back for clients or
just the usual empty promises..

[smeg]

WHY ON EARTH WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO SIGN-UP?

THE LETTER IS INTERESTING AS IT ONLY MENTIONS TITLE DEEDS NOT THE OTHER BITS.DID YOU ASCERTAIN JUST HOW MUCH PAPER WORK ptx ACTAULLY HAVE AVAILABLE?.IF IT AIN'T THERE ITS BREACH OF CONTRACT (CLAUSE 1 OR 2) AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

DID YOU POLITELY TELL PP THAT YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT ON THIS DATE OR AREN'T YOU EVER MAKING THE TRIP TO SIGN?

ACCORDING TO MY UNDERSTANDING I HAVE 2 MONTHS TO SIGN-UP NOT 15 DAYS AS THEY GAVE ME .BREACH OF CONTRACT AGAIN.

YES AT THE MOMENT PP AND PTX ARE BEING MOST HELPFUL SIMPLY COS THEY WANT YOUR WONGA.
I EVEN GOT AN ON THE SPOT DISCOUNT FROM UNCLE PEDRO FOR MY KITCHENS..BLESS HIM!!!!!I ONLY ASKED IF KITCHENS WERE INSTALLED,HE SAID" DO YOU WANT THEM , IF NOT YOU PAY LESS",SO OBVIOUSLY THE KITCHENS AREN'T INSTALLED..A COMPLETE SCROTUM!!!!

HE'S DEFINATELY CACKING IT COS PEOPLE AREN'T QUEUING UP TO SIGN-UP,AND HE CAN'T SELL THEM TO ANYONE ELSE COS THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE
'RADIO RENTAL' TO GO NEAR THEM. WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF WE DON'T START SEE SOME 'MUSICAL CHAIRS' WITH THE APTS ,LIKE POOR OLD *** WHOSE BEEN WAITING 41/2 YEARS FOR HIS APT IN THE 1-59 GROUP COULD GET A 60-80...IT'S SO EXCITING!!!
MY ARCHI DRAWINGS SHOW 60-80 OVERLOOKING THE LARGE POOL AND TENNIS COURT...YES TENNIS COURT.

I LOVE TENNIS.

WILL POST MY CONVERSATION WITH PP ASAP.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT PEOPLE LIKE MIKE COS NOTHING AFFECTS HIM HE'S BULLET -PROOF.

YOU WILL ENJOY THE STATEMENT THAT PP MADE TO ME.

AND I'M NOT EVEN ONE OF THEIR CLIENTS USELESS BALL-BAGS!!!!!!!!!!

[pedro_1]

Smeg
people have asked you to state what your conversation was with PP. You have dangled a carrot, so put up or shut up.

and no, I don't agree with your comment about Mike I have had many conversations with Mike, and all he has every tried to do is work towards getting his place habitable. But of course he like myself would prefer the site to be finished. That is the ideal. So its not a case of 'bullet proof' in my view, he along with myself and a few others have actually tried to get off our butt and do something other than whinge.

[seagem]

??? Well, Smeg or no Smeg, me and Carlos are setting off any minute now,,,, lets be positive !!!!!!!!! ;D ;D

[seagem]

;D ;D ;D Right, I'm back. And I am happy to inform you all that Gordon and Mike can now use their toilet.


YOU GOT WATER, HURRAY,,,,, thanks to Carlos' skills.
How does that sound to you , Smeg ??????

Told you to be positive, didn't I ??

All the best, SEA-GEM

[Blighty]

Sea Gem,

Great news.

Any evidence of workers on final Phase(V)?

Cheers,

Blighty

[seagem]

;D No, only Snr. and the black dog. ;D Oh, yeah, and the Mayor came with some bread for our lunch at Gordons place. Fab location you got there, folks.

[Mike6]

THANKS TO ALL INVOLVED IN GETTING US WATER , DO YOU KNOW AN ELECTRICIAN ?? ONLY KIDDING !!

LET IT BE KNOWN THAT FROM THIS DAY FORTH 22ND JUNE EACH YEAR IT WILL BE A GOLCO FIESTA OF :AGUA :ALL RESIDENTS WILL PARADE THROUGH THE COMPLEX IN WET TEA SHIRTS LED BY JILL ,HANK,CARLOS, AND SEAGEM !! HOLDING ALOFT A PIPE WRENCH !!

PLEASE ALL DOUBTERS , JUST SIGN UP FOR THE ROLLER COASTER OF LIFE .!!!!!

AM NOW GOING TO DRINK MYSELF TO OBLIVION , WHEN I AWAKE MAY HAVE LECY???

[P.GARRETT]

Even though we are on the unfinished part of the development I would like to thank Seagem , Carlos , Hank , Mike for keeping the place alive.

Without these and others the place would have died a death a few years back.

Hope one day we can all spend time in this beautiful part of ther world.

BUT only in a well finished property with ALL the utilities.

Thanks again.

pg

sorry if I`ve left any names out.

[Mike6]

Mr Garret sir

I left a name out " Julie " she can also head the parade in wet tea shirt Hic! Hic !

[pedro_1]

Mike
I'm hurt, deepy in fact. I thought we had a thing going!!! I too can wear a t shirt! Men can be so ficlkle.

hanks again to all. Its good to know that being postive and active can actually help.

Major thanks go to Hank, Jill,Sea gem and Carlos, even Pedro Snr. Credit where credit is due.

So folks, when can I turn my lights on?????????????

ok lets just enjoy the water shall we?

have a good weekend all.

[RENZ]

::) hi me again BIG,BIG thanks to Hank, Jill, Carlos and Seagem you are all Jems. And Mike my little wine drinking friend i will wear a wet T shirt and parade and if we get leccy, well ! who knows what i'll do. Mike I'm Mr Garrets partner in crime, we met over the wine at Wendys and went for that uphill walk to bombaron lol.
;D

[Blighty]

Yes commendations all round.

I've thought all along that fully completed earlier phases are paramount and Phase V was never going to be done ahead of this.

Fingers (and toes) crossed and I like the aqua/agua day idea.

Good to see the new mayor on site.

Cheers,

Blighty

[seagem]

;D Sorry, ex Mayor. Isn't he the bread man ?

[Mike6]

Just a snipit of info , that may mean a lot to some !!

When i phoned Hank earlier today , it was said that some of the unfinished Zoco phase were plasrered out !!Walls ceilings etc .Hank didnt mention that in his postings , but could bring a little joy to some ? and misery to others who i suspect dont now want the place finished at all ???

Good night all

[Blighty]

Mike,

All snippets of info greatly accepted. You know which camp I'm in and let's roll.

It's getting closer.

Cheers,

Blighty

[Gordon24]

Hi All

I am pretty sure phase 5 is completed, I saw with Sea Gem the plaster/paint on the walls and ceilings on one appartment in phase 6 but cannot verify any others. We are going up again in 10 days time and will try to get in again to check the other appts.
There has been work going on in 6 last week 4 men were working and a white Madrid registered car is parked at the top but not every day so someone is in.The one transformer is for phase 5and 6 so they must be intending to finish them.I recon if phase 5 is sold and paid for this cash will be used to finish phase 6, I hope.

Gordon

[Demotivated_Donna]

hi seagem i beleive your a joiner and as such will have experience of the building game,how long would it take to complete zoco with just 4 workers?
mike i dont think anyone wants zoco to fail,but remember we`ve been treated like a bag of sh1t and won`t buy any half attempts,just to get us to pony out some cash. only a crazy fool would do that

[Demotivated_Donna]

by the by when we visited in march 4 workers were on site then

[RENZ]

hi all there was only 4 workers on the bit that is finished on 5. And finished v nicely so who knows. lets keep fingers crossed. plus if they want sell they will have to make an impression. well supposedly. as i certainly won't accept a bag of rubble.
good luck and lets see

[pedro_1]

Hank
please let people know once you have caught your breath about costs. And how, we are to get the money to you. Sea gem - do we owe you anything for your time etc?

So who is the guy with the rather fetching hat?

[seagem]

;D That's me lol. Carlos has been paid , and I come free of charge,,, ;D ;D ;D

[pedro_1]

Love the hat sweetie x

thanks again Sea gem for all your help. My offer of a drink in October still stands if possible to meet.

did send you pm, but having some problems with computer this week, so not sure about delivery.

[Blighty]

Smeg,

On a couple of occasions you have promised to reveal details of your informative 10 min. phone call with PP completion dept, pray tell as the trail has gone cold.

Cheers,

Blighty

[Demotivated_Donna]

Hi All

Everyone who said they were interested in attending the meeting in Coventry on Saturday 30th june, please send a private mail to us.

please state in your mail what you want to get from the, ie what you want to see on the agenda and what you want to achieve from the meeting.

I dont want everyone to drive to Coventry to discover that we all want different things and everyone feel that it has been a waste of time.

I also need to find out how many people are coming so I know whether to hold the meeting at my home or an alternative location.

Once I have the mails from you I will send out an agenda, time, place, directions to those who need it and if anyone needs it hotel details for those planning to party the weekend away.

Cheers Donna ;D

[jim_c]

Hi donna would you be kind enough to ring me on 01269 598602 i'll ring you straight back i'm home all day today and tomorrow or any time will do i would like to get in on the act i'm buying number 14 i've been waiting 4 and a half yrs if im not in leave your number on answer m/c ill ring you back ask for jim.

[Blighty]

Donna & Rich,

Will send you a PM later today.

Cheers,

Blighty

[tez]

DEAR DONNA

SORRY DONT KNOW HOW TO SEND PRIVATE MESSAGE.

THE ONLY INTEREST I HAVE IN ZOCO IS TO GET MY DEPOSIT BACK I AM NOT INTERESTED IF IT GETS FINISHED OR NOT, I CANT STAND THE PLACE ANYMORE
THE MEETING WILL ONLY BE A BENEFIT TO ME IF EVERYONE IS OFF THE SAME OPINION.

SORRY TO BE SO BLUNT.

TEZ [NO 40]

[Blighty]

Tez,

Very few of us have the IT skills we wish we had (though are kids do).

Many feel as you do but I can't for the life of me see how we can money back when Pedro is just delivering late and I have little from him (or PTX etc.) that commits to any timescale.

PP on the other hand have told untruths and some recompense from them may occur but money from Pedro when he has spent on what is so far developed is to me a non-starter.

Cheers,

Blighty

[Demotivated_Donna]

Good evening all

The meeting for this saturday is postponed due to lack of people available to attend.

Watch this space for alternative dates.

Going to hit the wine now, Donna ;)

[Blighty]

Donna,

Will do. On the wine I'm a day late but off with the cork!

Cheers (hic),

Blighty

[Blighty]

Guys & Gals,

It' all gone quiet, tell me it ain't so.

Blighty

[smeg]

Stop moaning Mr Blighty all is now well .

Everybody is excited about their imminent completion dates.The wait is almost over and its certainly been worth the wait.
Everybody is either out there or preparing to go out there ,they haven't got the time for idle chit-chat.

So stop spreading gloom and doom .I can smell the olives *and feel the breeze gently caressing my lovely blond hair as I stare out upon the vista.

I was so wrong about everything ,how could I have been so stupid to doubt the Proturex boys in Spain.

They are delivering,and its going to be smashing!!

Best bit as I already mentioned on the other site, is the thought of the four fit young Spanish builders,bronzed,tight-buttocked and sweaty,putting the finishing touches to the final phases 7&8.
So get behind it ,stop knocking it.

I'm too busy packing to bother with messageboards.

[pedro_1]

Smeg
I sense a note of sarcasm in your last note???? ;)

Are you actually a full shilling? or do you expect change?

Be nice Smeg. cos you threw your toys out on the other m/b didn't you?

[Demotivated_Donna]

Hi All

I think with the crap we have all been through over the years we are all entitled to throw our toys out every now and again.

Pedro1 - Com on we are all in this together, cut Smeg some slack we are all entitled to air our opinions, you dont have to agree with them, if Smegs posts get on your nerves then dont read them. There are posts from people that I simply choose not to read because I know they will whind me up.

Smeg - I hope you have managed to turn your phone back on at last! You certainly know how to make yourself a target with your posts, do you do that on purpose? Just curious. This one made me smile..... ;) but I am sure the thought of old spanish builders bums will give me nightmares, especially if they look like the ones I last saw out there!

Try to chill all, no good getting high blood pressure and popping your cloggs before matters get resolved....take resolved to mean what ever you want, to me it means getting my god damn money back, to others it means the keys to an appartment. 8)

Adios amigos ;D Donna

[smeg]

Can't see what all the fuss is all about.

We've had a slight delay on completion,Pedro's doing everything he can to sort out all the loose ends, its going to look lovely when it's finished.

As Happy Hank says the Pedro's are a lovely family,they're welcome round my Hasenda Monsasy anytime.

I've already contacted Pedro and said if he's ever in the UK ,there's a bed spare round my place.

[Blighty]

We are a good mix and even those who are coming from diff angles (you know who you are) I have a grudging... However, as last posts go some have bugled above and beyond the call of duty.

Cheers,

Blighty

[pedro_1]

Hi Donna
lets be clear on this. I have said many times on many of the postings I have left, we are all entitled to our opinions. We have our own ideas and thoughts. Howeve, what I do object to is when the postings become personal. I can take comments, views and constructive critism.

I just don't like comments being left on here and on other m/b which are IN MY VIEW are personal on other members of this forum who have actually got of their butt and done something to help others.

So I make no apologies, for sticking up for people who have done me a favour. Also, I should mention that I have spoken to Smeg on many occasions, and he knows what is what.

Anyway bored with this childish stuff.

Its getting away from the real issues, i.e. some getting their keys and you wanting your money back,

[Odyseus]

I fear Smeg has the Message Board equivalent of cabin fever.

Living in that half world of the 'Interweb' has that affect on some people. It starts off with a good old moan here and a bitch there then before you know it one's spouting off bitter one liners and philosophising about how rubbish the real world is.

Spookily even your physical appearance changes as you morph into some terrible cross between Victor Meldrew and Alf Garnett.

After numerous postings you start getting lightheaded and optimistic. *You keep posting and posting furiously with hot air blowing all over the place. Then you start spinning going around in ever decreasing circles until you finally disapear up your own 'culo' like a f*rt in reverse.

Well that's what happened to me any way.

[Blighty]

Smeg,

When I said bugled it was with reference to the fact you have had about 20 last posts!!!

Have any prospective buyers of no's 60-80 yet signed?

I am out at end of year so hopefully it looks different than it looked in Feb?

Cheers,

Blighty

[Blighty]

Guys & Gals,

PP let me know that they are advised some folk are completing, not sure it's any of us though as I'm reliably informed they are all sold there are many like us (somewhere).

The possibilty of legal challenges I wonder if this is really viable.

Donna & Rich - the fact we are collectively buggers to get together doesn't mean we can't act in a manner that will push matters forward. I have had a lawyer contact PP but they seem unfazed and the lawyer when he looked at my documents couldn't see much wrong because though PP (and others) said pool etc. the developer papers only talk of my apratment and it's spec.

Cheers,

Blighty

[smeg]

Stop moaning then and get on and buy it.
No ones done anything wrong, everyone staring at paperwork they don't understand....The contracts are legal and ok ,you will get the apartment you want,whats the problem???

Please buy it and put us out of our misery!!!!!!

[Odyseus]

Go on Smeg, admit it - with that silvery sales patter of yours, you must work for PP.

[smeg]

Its like bleedin' 'groundhog day'

no offence intended,but if your solicitor says everything is fine then great he's giving you the green light.
Then great get on with it,its only 65,000e.

I would rather nail my head to a coffee table then be employed by these ......people.

Seeking solice on a M/B is futile,this is where M/B are dangerous,people get confused reading entries that have no substance,people start to think they are getting ripped off,Spanish Mafia,fraud,corruption,illegal builds....rubbish!!!

If there was(and I repeat yet again)any evidence of mal-practice then please provide it.Yes,I want facts not moans,or rumours,give me solid facts.
Three years and thousands of hits/posting and not one single grain of evidence has been published.
Why?,cos there ain't any!!!!!
Three years on,everybody got a lawyer to do something or other...and still people don't know who to blame,or what to do,if they did they wouldn't be wimpering on M/B's

The whole of phases 1/2/3/4 have already been completed and sold.
What does that tell you,even the Spanish ballet are owners of 10 apts.

So to continue to 'churn-up' old wives tales is just unsettling people and won't help get the place finished.

Just take solice in knowing that you have save 2 years of mortgage payments due to the delay.

[Blighty]

Smeg,

What have you gone and done with your Eye on Spain missives?

Cheers,

Blighty

[smeg]

Missives??

Don't you mean missiles.

I,ve broken M/B rules and had a brick thrown through my window at work.
I got the message.

[Blighty]

Don't take it persoan but "folk in glasshouses etc.." comes to mind.

Whenever I feel ticked I need to hear from you to lift me spirits otherwise I have to a have one (trebles all round!).

The EG massive needs ya fella.

Cheers,

Blighty

[smeg]

I did mention earlier about my suspicions that Proturex use 'bog roll' to draw up official notices.

My suspicions were proven correct when I asked my solicitor what the small writing said that ran down the edges of the paper he told me it said "now wash your hands".

At first I thought the brown smear running length ways down the letter was a watermark but it wasn't. *

Blighty,
You seem to be coming on a bit strong with me .
I'm sure your a lovely fella but I'm not looking for love at the moment.
Perhaps you mistakenly joined the wrong type of messageboard,type 'blind date' into your google and you might find a partner for life good luck...Jane

[Odyseus]

Ah bless ... smeg's getting bitchy.

[Blighty]

Odyseus,

Well said. Any news on builders on site 4 sounded too few but it sounds likw it's four less at the mo?

Mike - I will check what I have heard re: Elec co. and send you a PM

Cheers,

Blighty

[Blighty]

Ola,

Is there anybody out there?

Blighty

[Mike6]

Blighty Mi Amigo !!

Yes it is quite on the forum , but there are 5x members of our group at Golco now !! so come next week we should have some up to date news ?? In fact Hank24 will most likely be reporting on Sat or Sun when he gets back to Malaga !!!

[Blighty]

Mike,

That expalins it. Waiting and hoping an...

Cheers,

Blighty

[Blighty]

Dear All,

Had lenghty chat with PP completions. They are more open than they have been even going through the no's of those they have sold, others have sold and a few that Pedro has and may have sold?

They are seeking habitation licenes for 61-80 with a view to completing and work will re-commence on 1-60 in Sept. as funds from completed 61-80 will allow it.

I questioned the fact spec is coming in lower and they think there will be some facilities added at the end!!!

Cheers,

Blighty

[smeg]

I can't see why so many people got themselves into such a lather over everything.

All you doubting Thomas's,I told you it would all get sorted.

The fact pedro's intends to get Habi' licenses after instructing buyers of 60-80 to sign -up shows that he can't be all bad.

After all once you've signed the escritea theres no obligation on the builders to provide a habitation license because you have signed,paid for and accepted the conditions that your property is in at the moment that pen meets paper.

So this very good news and now with the money he should get once people sign up for apts 60-80 (ready apparently this October, I'm told).He can quickly 'knock out' 1-59.
I must say it is really starting to look good.

The icing on the cake is the news that we shall/might have facility/facilities at the end of the project.
I'm sure we will get a nice shop,perhaps a bar whatever it is ,it will be worth the wait.

[smeg]

In addition,beware of Lawyers promising money back,and 'success in cases like yours.

Load of crap!!!!!

The only cases they have won as I've said already are the cases where Agent/developer has admitted liability on the advice of their lawyers prior to court action.
These cases are rare and Lawyers sell their services based on these 'soft cases'.

Taking legal action against these boys will mean you attending court with your lawyer at least a year after papers are filed.So your looking at mid 2008 at the earliest.You will do battle with agent/builders Lawyers who will drag out matters as long as possible.Even if the judge sides with you ,the appeal that is always lodged will take at least another year,perhaps 2009/10 and you will have to do it all again in front of a different
Judge who may or may not grant you your money back.
If he doesn't then you will get absolutely clobbered by the agents lawyer/builders lawyer and your own lawyer plus damages.Easily blow £30,000.Even if you win ,doesn't mean you will get your money back.If there ain't any money to give back then you just win a moral victory.

Meanwhile El Golco is now completed,property values always rise once the development is completed, so those who have waited will have apartments worth 150,000e+ by 2010.

Its a no brainer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Odyseus]

... especially if you have no brain.

[smeg]

I think you'll find that your insinuation that the long suffering El Golco buyers have no brains will be met with disgust.

There are a lot of us trying to sort out the current situation,having a dig from the sidelines is cheap and unnecessary.

If you can't be positive and help contribute towards completion of this project then I suggest you keep your thoughts to yourself.

[Odyseus]

I tell you what is disgusting and that's your constant ramblings against all those hard working people who have been defrauded of their savings.

What you guys are doing in terms of getting things going, come what may, is really impressive but don't belittle the efforts of all those people who are prepared to stand up for what they believe in.

Let's face it Smeg you and I know Jack sh*t about Spanish law but either way there are people who aren't as luck as you and have spent some 30k on a dream and three years later not one brick has been layed. What do you honestly expect these people to do?

The least you can do is support their crack at getting their dosh back. But if you can't find it inside yourself to do that then at least don't keep criticising their attempts with your half baked legal know-how.

[smeg]

Very disappointing reply.

This was a chance to redeen yourself,instead you have gone off on a tangent.

The old 'fraud' appears again,no fraud I'm afraid.

If there was, PTX would have had their assets frozen and would have been arrested by now,seeing how they have suceessfully completed 4 out of 5 phases without anyone taking them to court over such issues.If you contact a Spanish Lawyer and ramble on about 'fraud' he'd want 'solid evidence'.

If they chose not to build your apt and keep your money,that is fraud but so far everyone has got what they signed up for.

I'm not sure whether you are a M/B 'voyeur' as you don't claim to have an apt at El Golco,but If you do have interests at El Golco why did you buy there if you clearly hate the place so much.

[admin]

Golconites

A polite request.

Please let's keep this topic amicable ! I know this is an emotive subject for all involved, but if the posts degenerates into electronic fisticuffs I will have to close it down.

Thanks for your co-operation.

Dave - Board Admin

[smeg]

See you even upset the Board administrator now!!!!

[seagem]

;D Listen all you lot. What you need is a day out on the Med. with me and Carlos instead of this nit picking arguments about who's right and who's wrong. It's not gonna take you anywhere behaving like this. Things are on the move at "Golco", but don't forget, this is Spain. Things takes time down here, but at the end of the day, all bricks will be in place. I'm not pointing a finger towards anybody here, but I whish some of you could take notice of Gordon and Jills effort to make this Hamlet liveable. Me and Carlos did our best to sort your water supply out, and you got it,, Hallelulja,,,,,,,,,,,



Next step is leccy to be completed, and then you all have a Paradise to come to, holidays, or permanently residence.


;D ;D Please, stay on a friedly note, if not, what will your community be like,,,,?????? AGM's with nuckle busters,,,,,,,, no, no

Well, just a few words from me "down the coast" ;D ;D

[Hank_24]

To David and all appartment owners.

Firstly a big thank you to Davis for cracking the whip.

There is no reason to get personal on an open forum.

What is needed is co-operation and solidarity.
I appeciate that phase 5 & 6 have more problems than we have in phase 4 & 3, at least our phases are complete, well at any rate livable.

It would be a shame if David has to make the ultimate
step to stop the personal bickering, so lets cool it down and demonstrate the firm upper-lip of the British Bull Dog Breed!
Gordon/Hank

[seagem]

;D ;D ;D Well said, Gordon. I'm a soft " cocky spaniel " meself,,,, ;D ;D

[Mike6]

I agree with Hank, lets keep this forum going , and all stay friendly and helpful !! I for one do not have the littery skills of some of your postings , but can only see that in the end , everyone will get what they wanted , or close if they swapped , and in my case a far better place than i could have hoped for !!

Smeg mate , i really cant see where you are coming from, i an totally confused ??? Have you now lost all of your appts , by not signing or what ? Tell me to mind me own business if you like , just curious :o :o

And what about all those others who were stirred up to get solicitors on the case , and miss their signings ?? Their appts are now finished , and all wired up , cant see what else you want ??

If all had signed who were asked to , then i feel sure that work would now be continuing !!

Lets just hope the finished 20 appts were all now sold and passed over , we may then see movement ??

None of this bothers me too much , but we all want the site finished if possible !!

[Blighty]

Dave, Mike, Sheree, Gordon, Seagem et al,

This forum has been an excellent means of bringing a sense of community to what is/has been a sense only of chaos. We pass info. on and get things done, the fact that there may still be delays may be the result of some folk not completing but I don't see this as a show stopper for rest of site as I suspect they are legally obliged to complete or they will be re-sold and I for one won't be taking this route.

The concers I have I will continue to press PP for some refund on admin fee and look for some written guarantee on what final site facilities will be provided though realistically I see this being short of what some have been promised.

I fully understand others may thinking differently and I willl (continue to) support anything that helps us collectively.

Cheers,

Blighty

[smeg]

The Board Administrator definitely stepped in to early.

This was to be the battle to end all battles.

It would have been a 'nine rounder'.
A messageboard 'winner takes all'

Two worthy adversaries,equally matched,both displaying good leg work ,testing each other with nice little jabs ,looking for their opponents weaknesses.

Whose legs would have given way first?We'll never know now.
I've been training hard for such an encounter .I was in the best shape of my life.

[smeg]

.

[pedro_1]

I have kept off the board for a little while, due to what I felt was unecessary remarks being made. But, I echo postings of Hank, Mike, Blighty and Sea gem. By all pulling together we will get this sorted out. So, although as I have always said, people are entitled to their view, it shouldn't become personal.

So can we please draw a line after this, and resume working together and achieving our goal.

I think we would all concur that we have had enough fighting with builders, solicitors, systems, etc., lets, not do this between ourselves.

(Seagem - have sent you pm)

[RENZ]

HI ALL
I AM IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH PEDRO, WHY ARE PEOPLE BICKERING ? WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, AND ONE DAY VERY SOON WE MAY BE NEIGHBOURS. I HAVE ALREADY MET UP WITH MIKE,JANET AND GORDON AND THEY ARE THE NICEST PEOPLE I HAVE EVER MET. AND IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLEASURE HAVING THESE PEOPLE AS MY FREINDS, NOT ENEMIES.

[Blighty]

Dear All,

I concur fully with Zocotome's sentiments.

By hook or by.... we'll get there.

Cheers,

Blighty

[seagem]

,, ;D ;D Nice to see good vibes coming into the forum,,,,
Keep on this track, and you'll be fine,, ;D

[Blighty]

Guys & Gals,

Any news?

Cheers,

Blighty

[Blighty]

All quiet on the Alpujarras front, just been on two weeks summer hols so keen to hear if any progress but little apparent excepting for movement on supplies isssues on Phases 3 and 4.

It is a shame the new Mayor can't further press Pedro but he's (Pedro Jnr) is clearly exceptionally obstinate.

Cheers,

Blighty,

[Hank_24]

Sorry I did not mention Phases 5 & 6 in my Hacienda Monasterio report. I thought negative reports were banned!! No unfortunately there was no sign of anyone working on these phases. However Phase 5 as I have reported before looks finished and awaiting handing over.
I know that you were all promised kitchens etc but that I suggest was sales hype as these are not usually fitted in Spain. The certificate only refers to the wirings, main board and power sockets as far as I understand. We were promised a kitchen minus white goods, then just before we signed, Pedro said he could not get kitchens fitted and he would reduce the final cost if we fitted the kitchen ourselves. This I agreed too but did not get a reduction. He also re-mortgaged my appartment for 30,000 euros which I had to pay to save fighting the bank through the courts. Fortunately we had just sold our house in UK
and had the cash available.
Our lawyer got Pedro to sign a 'certificate' stating he would pay the 30K back within six months, this was witnessed by the same notary who overlooked the final handover of the appartment. Pedro attended this meeting but turned up two hours late! Yes you have guessed it Pedro has not paid up. Our lawyer has said it is no use chasing Pedro through the courts as it will be very costly, very time consuming, take about two years, then Pedro will say he has no money. So we decided to enjoy the appartment which we have been doing for the last 18 months and put it all down to bitter experience.
I appreciate how you all must be feeling but you can only make up your own minds as to what you want to do. I have no regrets on what I did.
Phase 6 has been worked on in the past year but nowhere near completion.
I understand the Town Hall as agreed to tidy up the centre of the site behind the transformer housing and landscape it all, but when this will take place I do not know.
Sorry no good news but that is how it is.

Gordon/Hank

[Blighty]

Latest from PP!!!!, same ole same ole...

"Our lawyers are away on holiday at the moment. However we (Completions Department) spoke to our lawyer last Friday and explained the situation with El Zoco. He is going to send a burofax to them demanding to answer all our client´s queries and completion dates. Our lawyer has already met them before and here in completions we are hoping that this will be the way to get them to reply. However as I explained, our lawyers are away at the moment for the rest of August. As soon as they are back, he will send this burofax. In the meantime we are working out the list with everyone´s queries and concerns for them to reply to."

Cheers,

Blighty

[Blighty]

Dear All,

Quiet good or quiet bad???

It was about a year ago they re-commenced work but it took 6 months to do 20 apartments.

Cheers,

Blighty

[RENZ]

hi i emailed pp to ask if they knew how long for phase 5 to be finished, and they said at least one year. i will be too old to get a ruddy mortgage if things doesn't hurry along.

[Hank_24]

Hi Julie and Martin

I have tried to send you a pm but the page will not allow it, obviously it is still suffering from early gremlins.

We are still using the Branston, many thanks.

Do not know what is holding up phase 5 apart from Pedro turning his back on his duty as a developer/builder. It all looks ready to occupy.

I understand that there is a three bedroomed appartment for sale in phase 4, if anyone is interested let me know and I will pass you onto the owners.

[Blighty]

Gordon,

Pedro is a law unto himself, even when folk want to conclude matters (which invariably involves giving him money) he's still backward in coming forward.

Hopefully Mike will soon be on line but I don't expect to hear anything +ve until Sept.

Cheers.

Blighty

[Blighty]

Wow, seriously quiet folks, is it only me that ain't on me hols?

Cheers,

Blighty

[pedro_1]

Hello Blighty,
no you're not on your own. No hols for me - just work and more work.
No messages as Hank and Mike have been away, Mike due back soon. Spain closes down in Aug it seems, so nothing much probably to report or to be done until they all return.

Not sure about the rest.

I am out there Oct for a visit. myself.

My contact on Phase 3 is in contact with a spanish man also on phase 3 - in the very early stages of trying to make contact with enough of us to form our committee and then along with phase 4 will hopefully tackle the leccy prob.

that's all that is happening as far as I know.

Any news on your place?

[Blighty]

Nowt to repoprt at my end, will await updates form others in due course. AI am planning to go out myself at the end of the year.

Cheers,

Blighty

[chrisbb]

hi donna my name is chris i put a deposit on no 26 2 years ago i have visited the site 3 times and to say im unimpressed is an understatement i would like to be kept up to date on further developments via my e mail address which is chrisbastock@tiscali.co.uk
many thanks

[Blighty]

Dear All,

Latest from PP website. Cut and paste into your address bar.

http://www.palmeraproperties.com/?pid=updates&ref=5016

Cheers,

Blighty

[Blighty]

Dear All,

Latest from PP (for what it's worth!) is that a bureauxfax(?) is going from their lawyer to the developer (within 1 week) detailing a more vigorous tone, we'll see?

Cheers,

Blighty

[Mike6]

Well i'me sure that will really scare PP !!!

Think Hank is going up to Golco this week , so hopefully he will say if builders are back on site or not !!!

Smeg seems to be pretty active behind the scenes , making lots of enquires vie his new solicitor .

Perhaps Smeg you can enlighten us a little , we all forgive you !!come back on board please !!

[smeg]

I did a long posting yesterday and couldn't submit it.

I'm glad on reflection as it was just a load of -ve's.

All I will say is thanks to all I spoke to recently.You all deserve better treatment them you're getting .

I thought a burofax was a French inter- continental missile.In which case blowing the f**ker up is the best news we had from PP.

If it's just another letter from another lawyer I'm sure it will perch nicely on PTX's bulging complaints in-tray.

'I know nothing',except what I've learned from my conversations with you all.

Except PTX bank with EL MONTO and they had said they will no offer mortgages or guarantees on EG because I quote " the British won't stop complaining about it"

It's tempting to moan on and on but at the end of the day......... it gets dark!

[Blighty]

Smeg,

Welcome back, I too have been (on a no. of occasions) about to post some -ve's and thankful I lost the message before submitting. We are all behind you on this one.

Others must have obtained spanish bank based mortgages before on their apartments so I wonder on what guarantee basis these were issued because usually if a lender will lend they will have done some checking to cover themselves (more so than us poor buggers have been able to do).

The swimming pool looks magnificant and I am sure we can book 30 mins each so we can stretch out!

Cheers,

Blighty

[smeg]

I suspect that mortgages were offered on phases 2,3,4,as long as two years ago.

No one including the banks had reason to believe that EG wouldn't be built properly.

Now things are different,Banks are far more cautious and as EG should have been completed by now,I'm sure that word would have reached all parties that PTX are up to no good.

Even the numerous claims presented to PP/PTX by the buyers may be having an effect on the confidence to lend.

Lets face it,PTX may disappear tomorrow.

We have no guarantees from any party that another brick will be laid.

[tez]

hi tez here no 40

got an email today from palmera regarding getting our deposit back, basically we have been told that the builder will not give us any money back due to the fact he has not got any, pp has also told us they cant do no more for us and has totally washed their hands of us so thats that, 20,000 pounds down the drain.


ps can any one give me the email address of maria the solictor

thank you

tez

[smeg]

Well,Tez.No surprises there then!
Lets face it PTX aren't gonna say they do have any money!

Of course you only have PP word that they have spoken to PTX.In fact they haven't its just the same message PP puke out to keep buyers at bay.

There's no way PP are gonna phone PTX up and ask "can TEZ at No40 have his money back" because should PTX chose to return your money then it puts PP in a very difficult situation.

So basically PP and others spread the story that no one has any money ,emphasising the fact legal action is pointless.So that most importantly for them they keep their fees.
Also they realise that they can't return money because if TEZ gets his then they know they must return everyone elses money too.Leaving them with absolutely no buyers at all.

[RENZ]

Hi all.
i'm not so sure as to whether or not they do have money, but all i know is that if they do why are only half built. Surely it would pay them to finish and get more money from them. My head is puzzled with all this and i am seriously considering buying elsewhere, preferably not Spain. We have made a pact that if no work is started before xmas we are just giving up. very depressed and our life is on hold for this appt, we will be too old to enjoy it not to mention too old to get a mortgage. 4 years we have waited now as like many others.

[smeg]

Zocotome,you are spot on.

It doesn't make sense ,everyday someone else wants to pull out.

Why not just get the money from El Monto and build it.

Why doesn't he want the £45,000x80 apts(approx)

Thats almost £4 million .

There's something strange we don't know about.

Whats even more bonkers is there are 100's of developments in Spain that would love to have sold all their apartments ,what with the slow - down in the market.

So here we have a prat that can't/won't build them.

Am I missing something?????????

[Blighty]

I think we are all agreed that from pretty much every angle there are lots of things that just don't make sense.

I like Zocotome have real issues over how long I can sit this out (feels like a war of attrition).

I bought off-plan thinking I would get some extra value (I was aware of some of the inherent risks but not the minefiled we have encountered - thouhgh we are in a similar boat to many other poor sods). I had no desire for the property to be immediately ready to use but as it goes on my kids are getting older (as am I and the wife) and we too may have to look at other options, I'm still ok with Spain and in some respects the area but may look further afield.

Cheers,

Blighty

[smeg]

I find El Golco very confusing.
Having spoken to the likes of Mike and Hank,it would appear that El Golco isn't a true development,in the true sense of the word ,but a collection of hamlets?

Phase 1 was constructed 10 years ago and has its own power etc,and seems to do its own thing.

Whilst Phases 2/3/4 were built 5/6 years ago and sold privately by Proturex.

Whilst Phase 5(Pueblo Arabe) is the only hamlet? to be sold via agents like PP to the Brits in the UK.

So it's just a load of bits and pieces.With each hamlet left to form an official community funded by the owners themselves.

Please correct me if I got this wrong.


2nd Point

Why hasn't PTX built Pueblo Arabe?....My thoughts!!!

Don't go with no cash b*ll**ks.Developers use banks not their own cash.

Can't believe that no one in Europe will lend PTX money for 6 months to complete works ,knowing there's £4 million to collect.

Even if he was the worst credit risk ,theirs always ways to borrow.


UNLESS.... of course the PTX in-tray is full of requests for deposit refunds(assuming PP have forwarded those claims to PTX ,which I doubt they have) and PTX have decided that it ain't worth building Pueblo Arabe cos no one gonna cough up.

This is where PTX have F**Ked themselves cos its easy to find buyers when its OFF-PLAN cos it's just promises .Now that everybody knows PTX ain't gonna deliver and the agents aren't interested either, PTX have no way of finding new buyers.

So PTX are stuck with 80 miserable Brits with 79 of them seeking refunds,not forgeting the Phase 6 rip off where at least another 10 buyers want their cash back.


But the problem with the above theory is that PTX didn't lay a brick in 2005 either and at this time no one was complaining.


Final theory

PTX aren't bothered about picking up £4 million cos they owe in excess of this amount to others.Perhaps PTX have borrowed and spent the money elsewhere on more profit-making developments and El Golco is just a rainy day job,when PTX haven't got anything better to do.

[smeg]

I'm Glad To See That At Last Bush Fires Are Being Taken Seriously

Two Things In Life Have Always Occupied Me;firstly Where The F**ks My Money.

And More Importantly, What To Do If My 'bush' Catches Fire,especially When Wearing My 'skimpies' Around The Kitchen.

I Always Used To 'pat It' With My Oven Gloves, How Wrong Was I!

[Mike6]

Yes Smeg

The development does seem to consist of small Hamlets , and yes we have been left to our own way of moving forward , which most of us are now doing at out own expense . Phase one for instance is quite beutifull on its interior , but the road section , has to look out onto the Palmera farce , the other phases dont have to see that bit , except on arrival to the site , just like the original village residents .

Now i see the problem being , that this time last year , a promise was made to complete 20 appts , and this as you know was done , i feel that if people dont take up their completed appts , then that is why nothing else is happening , any company requires a cash flow . In this country , on new building sites , a few houses are sold , and then the site moves forward , and yes everyone has to put up with living on a building site . Granted , normally water and lecy are freely available here , but not so in Spain , on many developments !!

It just needs people to take up their appts , and mortgages are available from La Caixa in Albunol branch , you dont need the builders non mortgage offer !!

I am not in any way sticking up for Pedro , but why not try to move on and take up your appts , when offered to you , its that or nothing !!

[Blighty]

Mike,

I concur with you. I see little option but to progress to completion. However there are different folk coming from different angles. I can't see how I can get either my deposist or PP admin fee back so I don't want to lose this and want to occupy and use the place. I have been misrrepresented - but not by the builder. He didn't promise much and hasn't let us down! PP have told me that folk who delay (I know they don't represent all of us) may lose their properties which can be re-sold?

I agree with SMEG the quiet period in 2005 was when most protesting took place and the least building. Additionally the builders lender can get another builder to finish (the developer ain't playing with his money) and also the fact banks's are still willing to lend means they are happy (they are more sighted than any of us).

As regards El Monte bank, a new one on me!!!

Cheers,

Blighty

[smeg]

The only time a bank can intervene in the construction of a development is when a Bank bond is in place.

The bank bond effectively means the development is owned by the bank and is an assurance against default by the developer.This is primarily for the banks benefit to safeguard their interests but also safeguards our money as well.

El Monto are purely lending monies to PTX as and when and have no further part to play.If the bank did have a bond then we wouldn't be in the mess we are.The bank could simply kick PTX off site employ another and get it finished or return deposits,any losses would then be claimed back by the bank via the developer.

But unfortunately PTX own the land and are 'building' it off their own backs.So there are no powers on earth that can forceable remove PTX from EG.


And yes Mike you may be right.

It's just a bit strange to think the whole developments future is in hands of 20 Brits.

[Mike6]

Come on then you 20 Brits !! You all must have wanted the places , so just get sorted and have them !! They look great , and are ready to move into , water is now no problem , and for the time being use a genny like me , we will sort the lecy out soon ????

I know that in your position , you are slap bang in the middle of a building site , but if you complete , it will all be finished , and many of my friends can have their places , all the quicker .

Stop holding back , it will not solve anything , get a mortgage , and that in itself will get more checks made about the development !!

If it dont all work out , let the banks carry the can !! They must be happy to lend on it , so just walk away if it goes pearshape !! The possibility of them grabbing your assets in the u/k , is like trying to pin PEDRO down !!!

Come on go for it , Enjoy

[neilo]

did any body else buy on e/g thro ideal spain or mediterraneo estates?
we put a deposit on 3 yrs ago,& last we heard pedro and estate agent were being taken to court for embezalment.our deposit went missing & all we got were lies.have heard nothing for 1 year , fed up & angry!anybody with any good news!:

[Mike6]

Well Well Neilo

Where have you been for the last 3 years ? I bought through Ideal and then Med estates !! Ray at med estates bent over backwards for me , and came up with a great appt as a swap from the original , Alminares that was never built !!

cant see why you have been left in this state , unless Ideal didnt pass on your deposit ? if thats the case then , go to Southend and sort them out !! Lea i assume dealt with you ? I think they are in hiding , but can be tracked down !!

Good Luck

[smeg]

How come no sooner do I return to the M/B .

Then all of a sudden posts come thick and fast.

Do I have magic hands?Am I the pied piper?

Or just a prat.

[pedro_1]

Neilo
I have been in touch with Ray about this after tracking him down and have responses.Also have taken legal advice on this one to reclaim monies.

Please send me personal message if you want details.

[neilo]

after being constantly lied to for 2 years its on its off etc was told 2 sue builder and ray at the cost of about another £3000 was not risking any more money so told the solicitor that, and have been stuck since then.Any help greatly recieved!

[Mike6]

Neilo

Cant see why you cant ask Ray and Jorge to arrange a swap to a completed appt ??

Is it that your initial deposit has gone missing , ? with Ideal ?

[RENZ]

Mike you are right, if only my no 10 was ready i would deffo move in, even if its a building site. because i love the place and really think things will work out. Do you think Hank could have a word with pedro senior and ask him to sort no 10 out. i can't understand why no-one is signing for the few that are ready. Maybe you can let me have yours, at least i would be able to enjoy it now.

[Mike6]

Hi Zoco

You can use my place anytime !! Just leave our Mart at home , see you there !!!!!!!. Lets hope things do move on again this year , Hank will give us an update ime sure on his return to Funta de pedrio .

[smeg]

Neilo,

Could you explain what is happening,you mention Pedro/Med Estates.....etc.

I love the word embezzal ..ment.

Could you explain more please.

[RENZ]

Hi Mike

I'm booking the next plane, have a cup of tea waiting for me. lol
But anyway we are going out there probably march or april to see if anything has happened. you never know!

[Blighty]

Neilo,

Welcome aboard. You are amongst friends and folk who have suffered a similar plight to your own and this messageboard is a means for us to liaise with each other and get site updates.

I am on the final phase and really need this to complete this year so am hopeful Gordon (Hank24) will give an update that confirms further activity on site.

Cheers,

Blighty

[neilo]

we did arrange a swap thro jorge/ray in june 06.by dec 06 lots of issues still unresolved.only way we could get anywhere jorge advised us to sue ptx & estate agent.if we sued no guarantee of a penny, builder just files bankrupcy.plus we would have to go to spain for court case & all the hassle involved.jorge said some others were involved in this action against ptx.we did not sue.have looked on at this blogfest with sorrow for all involved.wat a c$@k-up!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mike6]

Neilo matey

Really cant understand why myself and others were given swaps through Jorge and Ray ?? and you were treated differently . There must be more to it !!

Yes me and others had a rocky ride , but Jorge and in my case Ray bent over backwards to help , although i now know , all the problems were down to Pedro !!In fact i had two swaps on the go at the same time , and chose the better option , that i am very pleased with !! This i owe to Jorge !! althoug he nearly bankrupt me with fees !! but it was worth it !!

SMEG MATE , ARE YOU TAKING UP THE OPTIONS TO COMPLETE ON YOUR FINISHED APPTS , COME ON GET THE STRENGTH OF THE DEBTS AROUND YOU , WE ONLY HAVE ONE SHOT TO LIVE IN PARADISE !!

ALSO IF THE GUY WHO RANG ME ON MY MOBIL ? COULD COME OUT ON THIS FORUM , YOU COULD HELP ?? YOU DID SAY YOU WERE COMPLETING ON ONE OF THE 20 FINISHED ONES , OR DID YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND . YOU AS WELL ;OLDTIMER ; WHY DID YOU NOT COMPLETE ON YOUR ONE OF THE 20 ?ANY INFO ON THE FORUM CAN HELP OTHERS !!

[pedro_1]

Yes any news or support with can give to other folks caught up in this can only help.

I too am more than happy with my place, its lovely. We were also offered a swap. Jorge did help us, but I reserve my judgement on the Md Est. situation/Ideal, but that could maybe down to our personal situation.

I agree with Mike. It would be good to know what the position is with you folk on the last phase. Are you signing etc.

[smeg]

Dear Mike/Neilo

Trouble is Mike,Jorge/PTX can't seem to do anything without f**king it up.

Your swop,yes you got an 'upgrade',don't know how much extra you paid.Bearing in mind Al Minares only cost 57,000e and Pueblo Arabe cost 90-100e.

You swopped to Phase 4...fine.

But,correct me if I'm wrong PTX/Jorge rushed your swop,not bothering to prepare a new contract for your new apartment.
Last thing they want to give you is another contract as second time around you might decide to refuse to sign it.Then again no one on Al Minares received contracts.

So you handed over a'brown envelope' and went straight to Title Deeds in front of the bent PTX Notary.

If Neilo,has employed an independant notary then ,he'd be shocked at the holes in the paperwork and the Notary would recommend not to sign until issues are resolved

I'd imagine that if Neilo bought on Al Minares then not having a contract at all.,would be the first problem.
People like M/E haven't been upfront,M/E for example have kept not only their admin fee but about 40% of the money destined for PTX.

MIKE
I'm not knocking you just reminding postees, that these bastards have made even swopping a F**King N/mare

As Mike says if people are buying 60-80 come forward and enlighten us.We are not hereto knock anyone...you might have knowledge of something we don't.

In my opinion there seems to be a growing stalemate brewing as the vast majority of buyers I have spoken to don't want to buy as thing stand.

God knows how many legal actions are in everybodys in-trays.

PTX/Agent have to go to court shortly to answer cases filed last year(this is what I have heard) ,so what happens if PTX lose the case.Does PTX shut down altogether or pay the monies back?

They almost don't have any choice ,if word gets out that he has handed money back then the flood gates will open and surely thats the end of EG.

ALSO MIKE AND PEDRO DID GET SWOPS IN 2005/6 AND THEY MIGHT BE BIGGER THAN THEIR PREVIOUS APTS....GREAT
BUT 90 PUEBLO ARABE/AL MINARES BUYERS AREN'T GONNA GET THE SAME TREATMENT.
MIKE/PEDRO YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN LUCKY.RIGHT TIME ,RIGHT PLACE.THEN AGAIN WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BUYERS ON PHASES 2/3/4 HAVE TAKEN LEGAL ACTION COS, TECHNICALLY AS THINGS STAND ,THESE PHASES AREN'T COMPLETE EITHER.(NO ONES GOT ELECY!)

[smeg]

by the way I'm not trying to be -ve.

I'm just assuming that PTX carry out their threat to do a runner as Neilo says.

For all we know they might be in court this week and never return to EG.

Cos no one is on our side and PTX won't make any announcements despite having 80-90 buyers waiting, it's impossible to make an informed decision.

you could sign up the day they go bust!!!

Perhaps PTX already have given up ,as they won't pay for elec connection to the grid.

Whose to say that monies raised from 60-80 won't be diverted to pay legal costs or something else.Even if 1-59 were built in the next 12 months there still going to be problems for PTX regardless because of the delays/legal actions/spec etc.

Unless PTX make a formal announcement to its buyers very quickly and calm the situation down, it's just gonna be one big meltdown.

[smeg]

Yes,It's me again.

Somtimes you have to think outside of the box..........as they say.

I have been considering certain alternative actions recently.

I don't like being conned and it eats away at me.

If any of you have any strange/bizarre schemes that can bring this nightmare to a conclusion, please contact me anyway you like(privately that is) as I don't want to upset anyone,this will allow people to offer any ...and I mean any ideas ...I will listen.

It would be useful to weedle out of pp their full list of Pueblo Arabe buyers for a start....any ideas?These people are so stupid ,there must be away of bluffing them into releasing this info!

Come on chuck all your ideas at me.Something might stick!!!!!!!!!!

[neilo]

what about watchdog bbc1.would get publicity and contact with other pueblo arabe people!!!!!ray not answering will try jorge

[smeg]

What number do you have for Ray.

I might be able to help.

I'm walking distance to Jorge and Ray lives 10 mins away.



I have spoken to Watchdog,managed to get a private number.

Not interested unless M/E shuts down and reappears as another business in another name, doing the same dodgy deals

[Mike6]

01702613330 office that was and Rays mob 07775767142 dont know if any are still in use ?

[smeg]

I MAY BE VISITING FANTASY LAND BUT....

What EG's needs to save it is someone to basically buy-out PTX.

Reissue a sound spec/proper completion dates backed up by a bank(perferably).

Hopefully all parties would drop legal actions,this would re-invigorate these damaged goods.

The new owner then can collect £4,000,000.00..make even more monies by arranging our mortgages and apply an annual charge for up keep or pools,bars etc.

Anyone know anyone?????????????????.

[smeg]

I've raised loads of issues with my lawyer.

Even pointed out to him that because both agent and PTX contracts have different T&C's that I can't comply with both.

agent contact states that I must pay 5000e IVA 21 days before completion.Agent didn't even know they where completed.PTX only want 4000e IVA.

So if I pay 4000e to PTX then nothing to stop agent screaming Breach of c and demanding 1000e +costs at anytime.

Agent is creaming 1000e for himself and then passing balance to PTX in time for completion....I ain't that stupid!!!!!

[Mike6]

Smeg

Are you ref to Ray still as your agent ? Why not go see him if you live that close ? Also Jorge is part of a British practice !! Have you not grounds to go to the law watch dog people ??

Also are you saying that no one can now get a mortgage for EL Golco ?

[Hank_24]

Just back from 5 days in Golco.
Phase 5 has got water, this Pedro Snr assures me, though I have no access so cannot confirm.

[smeg]

Dear Mike,
1/Yes I'am
2/seeing him is pointless,its hard to believe we've had beers together in local pubs,met his wife and children,he's got a nice merc 320ml.f**ker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as he is concerned he's clear of all responsibilty just like PP.

The agents have fine-tuned their con

Jo Ig makes me puke,last time I saw him he threaten me with a bill for an hours work if I didn't leave his offices.

Whats he done wrong!!!...try suing a lawyer.

Unless you have concrete evidence ,everybody is frighten of being counter -sued.

Mortgages....PP told me that PTX's Bank EL MONDO won't provide mortgages on EG.

Can't comment on other lenders...I'm sure some muppet probably will lend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blighty]

Hank/Gordon,

Really appreciate the uodate. Water to final phase is promising (just the people now!!) and collectively you are coming together on your phase.

Quite a lot of activity on the m/b and I intend to push the matter over mortgages as if it is a goer to get one then I will feel more comforted.

To all others on final phase just wondering whether anyone's solicitors have said PTX''s bank will get another builder in or are PTX all doing it themselves in which case the wait is likely to continue at current 20 appts per annum.

Tomorrow I will press PP again, and again...

Cheers,

Blighty

[Blighty]

Smeg,

Who are El Mondo, I ain't heard of them.

Cheers,

Blighty

[smeg]

El MONTO,ELMONDO...something like that.

Info from Completions Dept at PP

[Blighty]

Smeg,

Cheers,

Do you still use PP as I know they aren't your agent so just wondering if they are happy to fob you off as well as me? I had a ding-dong with them recently and was told they believe v workmen to re-visit site (if not already there) to complete 1-59!!

Cheers,

Blighty

[smeg]

Dear Blighty,

PP's simple desire along with PTX/agents and the Town Hall.

Is to continue their successful 4 1/2 Years of smoke screen/stone-walling and bullshit.

This way PP deflect the flack to PTX,and cling on to the monies we have all paid.

These people will tell us whatever we want to here to eat up more time,break our spirits.

and win the battle.

4 years of empty promises and F**k all activity.

End of the day PTX could have 135 men on site,so what!!!!

If he wants to save EG from being a total embarassment and try to keep at least a couple of buyers from taking legal action,then he should,come from under his rock and rebuild the reputation of PTX and EG.

Oh! I forget PTX isn't interested in collecting the £4 million for completing Pueblo Arabe.

[smeg]

Sorry for the above rant...

didn't want to scare anyone.

Ward Nurse said I wasn't allowed to use her laptop anymore.

[Blighty]

Smeg,

No problemo. hell we all need to blow off a little (lot) now and again, frustrating business this "getting a place in paradise" sketch!!

Cheers,

Blighty

[smeg]

Notice that PP.sl are marketing EL ZOCO as COSTA TROPICAL ES317.

lots of agents,often the same EMail.

Answer me one thing Pueblo Arabe is 80x 2bed apts

Why do the agents keep on about 1 beds,where are they?

Blagger.com has other El Golco buyers,bubbles 1 etc who started legal action a year ago because of PP.

Been trying to get PP.sl to return my calls about EZ.

Told them I 'm desparate to buy still won't call me......

[Mike6]

Smeg

Nos one appt , on the road facing the basura bins is a one bed !! Tried to get me to swap to it many years ago !! but our " Jorge " told me to ditch it and go for the one i have now !! That was when he was Pedro's drinking buddy !!

There are a few other one beds on that phase !!

Dont think you will get them for 52000euro though ? The 57000euro price you mentioned some time ago , was Ideal Spain's and Rays extra cut along with the fee for kitchen , and glass in the windows etc !!

How nieve i was in them distant days !!

[Oldtimer]

Hi Smeg and Mike and all,

No. 49 has only got one bedroom and so has No. 70.
But the price is much more than 57000 E, but it does
say kitchen and fridge etc. in contract.
But its like I told Mike we've lost interest. It's been
too long for us.
Oldtimer

[smeg]

Dear Oldtimer,

I understand you lack of interest,so what are you doing about it ?

Some buyers have written off their deposits,others are getting legal,others are hoping that after PTX have completed all their trips to court and paid back £ 2 million that PTX will complete EG for the 10 buyers left.
Or does PTX claim no money in court in which case EG definately won't get built.

[Oldtimer]

Smeg,

What can one do, what somebody else hasn't already tried?
By the time you've paid lawyers fees there is not a lot left of
£15000 deposit.
Has anybody noticed on Palmereproperties.com on the left
the News button keeps flashing.
They are inviting Palmera clients to join them in legal action
to identify Grupo Miradors responsibility.

Oldtimer

[smeg]

As usual ,nothing makes any sense ,what have Grupo Mirador done and what does responsibilities mean?

Why does PP have an open invitation to its client to join them?

Had a chat with PPsl and they said their not selling EZ anymore because there isn't enough water for the 5 phases.

It appears that phase 1 gets priority and after that its a lottery,luckily because EG is empty, water demand is low,but when people arrive at Weekends then you will have to share a trickle.
Apparently this is down to the poor location and design of EG.

So nothing we didn't know already.....

Another development in Almeria has had to be abandoned due to the same problems

[Mike6]

Oh well , thats it then , goodby to all , have given up !!!

[Oldtimer]

Hi Mike,

Just because we've given up does't mean that everybody
else has given up.
Like I said to you before I still believe it's a beautiful place
and it probably will be finished one day.
But for us the wait has been too long and we committing
to other things.

Oldtimer

[Mike6]

Sorry but my comments were just tongue in cheek !! The Zoco phase does have quite an elaberate water storage system , just to cover the situation of water demand . Pedro did allow for that , but dont think the tanks are in use yet ??

No i will never give up !! if i have to carry water from the fountain in Macina , that will do me , all part of the fun .

Long live us Golconites !!!

[Blighty]

Smeg, Mike and others,

Quite active on the m/b of late. I too often google El Zoco or PP and have seen that the few remaining appartments are now being advertised/promoted so this shows some movement.

Also interesting to see PP show their teeth and trying to collectively take on Grupo Mirador (much more of a sham than PTX).

It's me birthday today so gonna watch a little footy on TV and get in the garden and sip some Cider (lovely weather here in the N.West).

Cheers,

Blighty

[neilo]

not worrying about money loss on e/g put all my savings into northern rock!!!!
oooops!!!! keep taking the tablets
neilo

[smeg]

Dear Mr Blighty,

The promotions that you will all see on the web are from 2003/4.These sites are dead ,its just no ones removes them.

PP are the primary agent in Spain and there was about 6 minor agents selling EG on a secondary basis.

The adverts that you will see are all standard and refer to EG as an OFF-PLAN dev.

None of these agents including PP are now selling EG because of problems/ spec/completion date.

put it to the test and contact anyone of them and you will be told they are not invovled with EG at all.

[Madelaine]

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
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'El Zoco Apartments
June 2007
Apartments numbers 61 to 80 are ready for signing of the deeds. First occupation has been granted for those numbers only. Swimming pool still pending to finish. Apartments numbers 1 to 60 are not ready yet. Competion date not confirmed yet by the builder.'

Hope none of those 20 'complete' without thinking about the Community Charges on 80 apts, apart from everything else Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:19 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
I thought that this link was quite ironic considering the recent history of Palmera Properties.

http://www.palmeraproperties.com/?pid=noticias

How could anyone trust lawyers employed by this company ?

How about Palmera sorting out the rest of the developments they have advertised and taken deposits for ?

This company has had our money for 4 years and still not produced what they advertised and what we paid for [ ie an apartment on their El Zoco development ].

This would actually be funny if Palmera Properties hadn`t robbed so many people of so much cash.

JWH

[Odyseus]

Stop the presses!

PP are seeking to take action against their builders. And why exacyly has it taken them over four years to finally pass the buck?

Four years of taking people's deposits without doin Jack S..t in return means they probably have more dosh than Northern Rock. I'm in the wrong business.

Hey ho.

The Od One

[smeg]

Community charges are the least of our worries, dependant on what CC really mean.

Obviously,as it stands no one knows what will happen next.

As there is no electricity at El Golco (El Zoco doesn't exist,as your lawyer)

Why PTX have called Pueblo Arabe 'El Zoco' is very strange.Even archi drawgs refer to it as Pueblo Arabe.

To underline the fact that PTX are taking the piss.
agent contract calls it Pueblo Arabe
PTX contract calls it El Zoco
Arcitect calls it Pueblo Arabe

and the toilet paper issued in june by PTX calls it Haciende Monsterio


The first prob is getting 50,000e for Electic connection.

This show you what good Habi licences are,as every apartment has one .

20 apartments boarded up,on a building site for 4 years .
Future of remaining 60 uncertain

No sign of progress.

No guarantees of final spec.

Builder no doubt is under considerable pressure from lawyers representing the 35+ buyers (at least) that want their money back.

As I have said its a stand off ,PTX can't afford to lose the buyers as it won't get anymore, therefore PTX probably won't commit to building as they don't want to build apts they can't sell and no one wants.It was easy selling OFF-Plan as they could promise the earth.


Even if PTX started building again how many want their apts still....not many.....damaged goods.

The fact that PTX have the front to refuse to connect EG to the grid shows just how uninterested they are in even completing the bits built 3/4 years ago.

PTX must know that the problems they have created are common knowledge amongst buyers but still refuse to issue any statements to calm the situation down.

I don't think we'll see PTX again....unless Hank can tell us that workers are cracking on!


As regards PP anouncement...its a smoke screen.
If PP have got into bed with a dodgy builder then thats not your problem
The agent should return full deposits and seek damages from Grupo...

So that PP can keep the monies they have received from clients,they are asking clients to join forces with them to fight Grupo...its not the clients fight!!!!!!!!!
Its a brilliant move by PP to quell unhappy clients without putting their hands in their pockets and more importantly it stops legal actions against PP.Whats the point of chasing Grupo.. if 30% of your money is with PP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[neilo]

did any of the people that were in e/g 7th feb 2004 get an apartment?were we all given the run around? would be interesting to know you all seemed like a nice bunch and as keen as us to have a place in the sun!!!!!! did anyone meet kevin,lee,lance and steve?

[pedro_1]

yes we were there then and yes we got a property but it was a swap.